Haha, it's done now. I've had my say, and won't over-egg the pudding, as it were.
Thanks though!
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Haha, it's done now. I've had my say, and won't over-egg the pudding, as it were.
Thanks though!
Careful Zin, this is the thread for "constructive criticism", not really a place for context and analysis, really what we want in here is mostly emotional criticism and pitch forks
What SAF did at Aberdeen is one of the greatest football management feats of all time.
It's not just the league, it's beating Bayern, Real and Hamburg ... at a time when the European Cup Winners' Cup was a prestigious trophy. Incredible really.
I’m starting to wonder if there’s more going on behind the scenes than we realise. Could there have been a falling out with the player either before, during or after the Newcastle game because nothing has been the same since. I’d say that the energy levels have definitely dropped off which has exacerbated the poor form. Tactics are playing the part of being exposed further than in the previous months just because the effort levels have dropped off a cliff.
Then there’s the video of him shouting at the players during the Chelsea game where they obviously aren’t following instructions.
I think there has been and they are all just trying to get through the games now until the end of the season. If Burnley is a complete clusterfuck of a lack of energy and interest then I think I’m right.
Then there’s the video of him shouting at the players during the Chelsea game where they obviously aren’t following instructions.
I think there has been and they are all just trying to get through the games now until the end of the season. If Burnley is a complete clusterfuck of a lack of energy and interest then I think I’m right.
He’s a nobody, he thinks acting like a manchild and insulting others is equivalent to “ending” them, whatever the fuck that is. When presented with facts, he decided to call me a Putin lover and apparently he added me to his ignore list
. Exactly what a little bitch who doesn’t accept the truth would do. My advise is to ignore his dumb posts and move on, waste of time talking to that dumb clown.This is the part that worries me.
Literally there are blueprints for anyone willing to see from 4 games in the row, of how to get guaranteed win against Spurs.
We were quite shit from first day of the year until Newcastle game. But the way and precision with which Howe side demolished us has just poured gasoline to a fire and we've been brutally been demolished. We've conceded 4-3-2-4 from that game. 13 goals in 4 games. Yes, 13 from 4 (!) .
Genuine question.
Do you want him sacked?
If yes, who would you replace him with(realistic options only)?
This isn't an anti-Ange post, but SAF getting those numbers with Aberdeen and St Mirren is actual miracle work. I'd fully expect Nuno to be able to reach those numbers with Celtic.
Mate, I answered both questions multiple times by now…
Agreed. This is NOT a comment on Ange, but anyone who thinks Aberdeen numbers aren't that great, has no understanding of how SAF built what was, for a year or two, one of the best two or three teams in Europe ... in a city with a population about the size of Swindon. Incredible.
Nuno has had a really good career.
Was probably sacked too early but back then the player power was the excuse/reason.
That squad was still figuring out what life was like without Poch and too many of them had a direct route to the decision-makers above the manager.
Edit: Nuno was never the right manager for us to start with but sacking a manager is always the easy way out for the board at any club. If you hired them and it's not working, you should be asking what you didn't get right when making the decision.
Fine. Cant be arsed to go back, so i will leave myself in ignorance
That wasn't the point of Zin's post.
he was saying that even the greatest managers have things that you can use to diminish their achievements if you are inclined that way.
If you win things, you win them.
If the above is true, then it's not clear a close-season period will solve it tbf. I've wondered if he still has the dressing room onboard too. The "playing our football" stuff is wearing a bit thin given the collapse in performances AND apparent effort.
The one blip in SAF's career was the early part at Man U. Which of course is somewhat analogous to where Ange is right now. I would stress tho that SAF arrived at Man U having pulled off an almost incredible managerial feat over a few years at Aberdeen. Ange has a decent CV, but nowhere close to SAF on arrival in Div 1.
Ughhh, okay… I’ll try to keep it short.Fine. Cant be arsed to go back, so i will leave myself in ignorance
1. I’ve not enjoyed one single minute of the football we played this year. We regressed greatly and it doesn’t look better than the shit served in the previous season, with a possession stat padding.
2. The tactics don’t seem to work and I think they won’t work even if we buy better players.
3. He’s not improved any players individually, otherwise you’d not see so many desperate attempts to save face that he needs loads of players in the summer.
4. Doesn’t look like he wants to adapt to the amount of tiny little things you have to consider in this league.
5. Hasn’t given young players a chance.
As for the other question, I think there are lots of managers out there who would get a better tune out of the current team: Marco Rose (at Leipzig, Klopp influenced), Marco Silva (Fulham), Amorim (Sporting), Inzaghi (Inter, unlikely he’d leave though).
I mean, SAF won 8 domestic trophies in 7 years at Aberdeen. It's a mind blowing achievement. They've only won 4 in the 28 years since he's left.
I'm never going to use "he only managed in Scotland" as a stick to beat anyone, but that level of success with a non-Old Firm team in Scotland is just something that nobody will ever come close to, and is irrelevant entirely to the Ange dialogue - either pro or anti.
tougher to win back then too