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Management Ange Postecoglou

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We have to remember that Ange was most likely 5th choice on Levy's list to replace Conte.......Alonso and Nagelsman said no, Tuchel went to Bayern, Levy refused to pay Slot's release clause. Should we be surprised with what is happening with a guy who came from one of tne top two in the SPL and doesn't have too much top level experience despite a long career?

Yes Levy can sack Ange but you have to wonder if anyone decent will want the job or the club is prepared to pay big in terms of release clause payout. Most likely Levy will go for someone out of work like Tuchel, Southgate or Potter.
 
Matt1882 said:
In Pochs first season, he won 4, lost 4 and drew 2 of his first 10.
MW10 was the game we played Villa away, he finally gave Kane a chance and Kane delivered.
After the first 10, w6, L2 D2. Next 10 W6, L3, D1
There was visible improvements in number of results and number of games passed without defeat. Games 8/9 and 34/35 were the only time he lost back to back games.

Compared to Ange, who lost 3 and 4 back to back. 3 was actually 4 of 5 with the 4th being a last second equaliser at City. 4 on the spin was the first time in over 2 decades any Spurs manager lost 4 in a row. That itself was 5 losses in 6, punched by a win against a relegated side.

As I said, I wasn't overly impressed with Poch.
But his results and general improvement as the season went on is nothing like watching Spurs being flushed down an aussie shitter.

We're in freefall here.
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We will have to agree to disagree

Poch didn't have the run of games that Ange did.

Ange also, after GW 15 and 4 losses out of 5 only lost 2 of the next 10

Different seasons, different order of fixtures in which, Poch's last 10 results were awful and didn't show progress with less PPG than the previous 10 and the same PPG from the first 10 including not being able to win against shite like Stoke, Burnley and Southampton.

Ultimately, IMO there are quite a few similarities despite the horrendous run at the end of last season.

The next few games will tell us for sure whether we can move forward with this guy or not. We can both continue to find patterns that fit our narrative I'm sure but Ange still got more points and scored more goals than Poch in their first seasons and their PPG games in the last 10 of their first seasons and first 4 of their second are identical despite Poch having easier fixtures to contend with.
 
bonaspur23 said:
At what point should levy be sticking up for Ange and saying he will give him time barring a disaster? It would shut up the media. Instead the media is just piling on.

Odds dropping from 20/1 to 5/1 that he will be the first manager sacked based on just last night is ridiculous. Then again, maybe the oddsmakers are just drawing in the suckers, knowing it’s very unlikely and free money.
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Ah the famous "vote of confidence".

That would absolutely stop the sack talk...

:levylol:
 
bonaspur23 said:
It’s usually what happens in American sports but the media is much different here.

I hate most things America but British media is a very low level.

Probably not a realistic thought anyway - just something I threw out there.
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Yes but there's a reason it's called the "dreaded vote of confidence".

The fact Levy would need to say it at all would be an acknowledgement that we are indeed far away from Tip Top Tottenham
 
dudu said:
We will have to agree to disagree

Poch didn't have the run of games that Ange did.

Ange also, after GW 15 and 4 losses out of 5 only lost 2 of the next 10

Different seasons, different order of fixtures in which, Poch's last 10 results were awful and didn't show progress with less PPG than the previous 10 and the same PPG from the first 10 including not being able to win against shite like Stoke, Burnley and Southampton.

Ultimately, IMO there are quite a few similarities despite the horrendous run at the end of last season.

The next few games will tell us for sure whether we can move forward with this guy or not. We can both continue to find patterns that fit our narrative I'm sure but Ange still got more points and scored more goals than Poch in their first seasons and their PPG games in the last 10 of their first seasons and first 4 of their second are identical despite Poch having easier fixtures to contend with.
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There's not a really fair way to compare the 2. Poch joined a club that had a 36k seat stadium, had been in the CL once, was only 6 years into a trophyless spell, pre-Pep, Pre-Klopp.
 
daveyboy88 said:
just calling a spade a spade ya pathetic little weasel. whats it actually like to follow a man about as a sad little fanboy? thats a pretty pathetic existence aint it. especially when youre following him around and talking about a sport you know fuck all about. you sad little fool.
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"Pathetic little weasel" again? Somebody get this guy a thesaurus and an education so he can use it, and maybe then he won't be such a boring, pointless, fathead fuckwit thundercunt who has never added a single thing of worth to the forum, or indeed to life in general.

Incidentally, a cursory glance at our post histories would indicate that I understand a fuckton more about football than yourself, not that that is some particular boast. How does that feel? Knowing that a pathetic little weasel is your football superior, a sport which you've watched but not been able to understand beyond a kick, kick, goal level for your entire life? The answer you're looking for is: Ashamed. You should be ashamed and you should apologise to us all for it. You've shamed your nation. Stick to croquet in future you wanksock.
 
We can slag off Ange all we like but there is a common denominator as to why all our managers underperform. Levy.

Until ENIC sell up the most we can hope for is to be 'the best of the rest'. For Levy this means Champions League football is the priority at the expense of possible trophies.
 
GlosYid said:
I think Ange fanboys might be worse than Jose fanboys.
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Anyone who follows their favorite person from club to club is not a football fan for me and they annoy the fucking shit out of me. Pick a team and stick to it. They will (mostly) be there forever. Players and coaches grow old and retire.
Don Pedro said:
Ange has been proving people wrong all his life so its nothing knew for him. Just such a shame that our own fans have resorted to insulting him every day now on here. I saw someone call him "the Fat Aussie" yesterday. That poster didn't sound like someone who wants Ange to turn it around and succeed. That sounded like someone who now just wants him to fail so they can come on here and double down on their abuse.
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Ange has been proving people in pathetic pub leagues wrong to some degree.
Everywhere he's been though, he has lost every game against quality opposition. And the comments there are the same as here "aaaah but they played well, they had chances, they might have won another day"

How many times does that happen before people realise it's not bad luck he loses those games. Quality teams just counter his system without much effort.
 
Matt1882 said:
This cunt will still be here, as a Spurs fan, long after you and Ange are gone.


See Ya Adele GIF by E!
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Fuck that. I'm staying and I'll transition to being a Levy fan. And when he goes I'll be a Ben Davies fanboy, who will outlast us all.
 
I will say some thing that annoys me the most and he doesn't seems to notice.

Son and Johnson as wingers. They are not meant for that role when we play a possession football like we play, we need players with flair, like Odobert or even Kulusevski, that can beat a man on his own, have good control and good passing.

Fullbacks playing in midfield. WTF is that? Ok, I can consider this thing, but all the time the midfield is congested with players that weren't meant to be there and offers fucking nothing, most of the time.

Maddison dropping too deep to receive the ball. While our fullback are playing in the 10 role, Maddison is playing between the centre-back most of the time, why? We have other players that can do that in Bissouma or Bentancur and if Maddison drops too deep we lose our most creative player upfront.

The fucking high line. We don't give a fuck about defending and even with some of the best defenders in the world we keep conceding every fucking game, we keep on being countered time and time again and there's nothing we can do.
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
We can slag off Ange all we like but there is a common denominator as to why all our managers underperform. Levy.

Until ENIC sell up the most we can hope for is to be 'the best of the rest'. For Levy this means Champions League football is the priority at the expense of possible trophies.
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Yes and no.

In some cases it's because Levy didn't give them the tools.
In others it's because Levy hired morons.
 
Macch said:
Add Ange to the long list of managers who don't have the players he needs to play the system he wants. Very frustrating
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It’s a shit system though with glaring weaknesses. He has perfect CB’s for it and in Porro the perfect RB - yet we concede at an alarming rate

Admittedly the attack is awful in this system.

But do we get a manager who adapts the system to suit the players - as crazy as that sounds
 
Also here are my suggestions. If we want to play this way, we need creative players, Johnson should be dropped asap, he creates nothing and barely can control the ball most of the time. Put a midfielder of Bentancur and Bissouma. Maddison, Bergvall and Kulusevski further and Son as a false 9. Most of these players can exchange positions during the game, creating confusion in the defense and most important, bar Son, all of them have a very good ball control, that will diminish the chances of us giving the ball away and conceding counters to the opposition. We can't fucking play with Son and Johnson in the wings, is so fucking predicatable and boring, it's too easy to defend.
 
bonaspur23 said:
Yes they are choosing a deliberate point that makes their argument. It’s called confirmation bias. I wont deny that I also do it sometimes.

We finished 5th last season and we were expected to finish 7th maybe? That’s a fact.
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No. They are choosing the last 75% of a 100% sample size because the first 25% has a lot less weight. It is obvious that teams adjusted to us after that surprisingly great start and the myriad of concerning stats confirm this e.g. We kept 4 clean sheets in our 1st 10 league games and then 4 in our next 32.

You can’t point to anything actually tangible in your backing of Ange, apart from the fact you hated Jose and Conte and that you just don’t want to sack him. Nobody WANTS to sack him but many people are responding to the facts of our form and a team that is continually struggling to defend whilst looking increasingly more impotent in the final 3rd.

It's very worrying and how ppl like yourselves don't share (at least) some of that concern is absolutely baffling (if it's actually genuine....)
 
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