It is so fucking irritating. But I guess what happens when you move at a snail's pace.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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It is so fucking irritating. But I guess what happens when you move at a snail's pace.
This is the same method as Pep. Difference is Pep has more technical forwards who operate well in tight space.
If you dont have the players for the system it might be worth changing the system to suit the players you do have. We have 2 goalscoring inside forwards in Son and Johnson we dont have wingers, 2 potentially good attacking fullbacks, a decent no 10 who currently has no space to operate in. Seems odd just carrying on doing the same thing.
True but then why do we hire someone if we don’t have the players for the system/way of playing. This is now Conte, Jose, Ange in a row where we have the same debate, why doesn’t he change the system. Why don’t we hire managers we either provide them or managers who fit the players on our books.
Yep. Levy and our football operation are all over the shop and its not a new thing. Really hitting home now how bad the summer window was. Still think all the time Levy is here we need a pragmatist because a systems manager will never get what he needs in numbers or quality.
I have him a tad ahead of St Nicholas for the sack race.Footy?
Reading this thread is giving me a headache. Our results are shit and have been for pretty much all of '24, defend Ange all you want but we MUST start seeing an improvement and soon or he will be sacked.
I've a feeling Ange will go down as one of our worst ever managers.
Jose was a pragmatist, no? Nuno is probably the definition of a pragmatist.
What other type of pragmatist are we talking about here?
What even is a pragmatist?
Whilst we are at it, what is reality?
They aren’t pramatists. That is a total mis use of the word and it annoys me big time. Jose and Nuno are fixed low block managers. An actual pragmatist is someone like Redknapp or Jol who while have some attacking instincts bend the system and players depending on the opposition.
Not sure why pragmatist has suddenly become a term for very ideological low block managers, almost the opposite of the word.
Eddie Howe is an example of a modern pragmatist.
Break the bank for Harry Kane?
I would say international managers are pragmatists as the player pool is limited to the nation they manage. So .....Southgate it is then.
Bending the system and players depending on the opposition is the perfect description of Jose.
You are basically describing the Portuguese mentality to football. If they have less talent then they bend the system to be more counter attacking. Italians as well like Ancelloti, he's 100% a pragmatist.
We went into some games without any recognised Centre backs!!! I have never known a team to get so many injuries as we did last season, at one point it was looking like the tea lady might even get a game!!!!
Not with us. There was multiple times we played significantly weaker opposition and he played sit deep and counter, that is not pragmatism. What he was at Porto is not the manager he is now.
Redknapp by contrast would play full on attack when he knew we could overwhelm the opposition, he would play low block if we played decent sides.
Ancelotti yes I would say he is pragmatic.
Totally agree. It probably helps Carlo has some of the best players in the world
City will rip through you at lighting pace if the opportunity arises.
Redknapp used to tell players to go out and run about a bit. Probably by his own admission, he was a man manager much more than a tactician. His best skill is understanding what players are good at and how they might combine with others. Elite at picking a team. Never one for adjusting the system. Generally speaking it was 4-4-2 every game.
Not always. The amount of times they have 4v3 and they just slow the game down and let the opposition get back, they know they can break them down and trust their way of playing.
Totally agree. It probably helps Carlo has some of the best players in the world
Pretty much all pragmatists focus on defensive structure and allow the offensive talent they have the freedom to express themselves. Pragmatists work at teams with outstanding attacking talent, generally IMO.