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Management Ange Postecoglou
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This is one of the best posts I have read on this forum since signing up and I am also absolutely tired of this hipster nonsense from people who are blinded by the magical possession based football ideology and how it guarantees success and has a higher ceiling when every objective metric suggests otherwise (as you highlighted.)
I get that people were fed up with the way we played under Conte in his last season but this idea we should stick with Ange because his football has a higher ceiling and it will all "click" at some point and start producing Harlem Globetrotters level results is actual delusional behaviour.
Right now he is looking completely out of his depth as a PL manager and let's face it, we haven't had a run of good consistent results since the Chelsea game, anybody being honest with themselves knows this to be true and no amount of fucking possession is going to change THAT metric.
Arteta was literally shouting from the sidelines during our match against the scum saying "Let them have it" lol!
Teams know we do fuck all with it and we are absolutely vulnerable on the counter and susceptible to lapses of concentration at the back and poor positioning due to the system, so yes, teams are more than likely letting us have the ball, hence why you don't really see teams pressing us until the final third.
Yes of course, what about them? Were they all out injured at the same time? No, only VDV and Maddison missed like a couple of months at the same time. The rest of them missed a couple of games here and there and we could replace them with one another.
And Bentancur was injured since Conte was still in charge. Then he came back and played for a bit and got injured again. Can’t really said he had an impact on the majority of our season.
The point is we finished 5th based off 10 good games. The rest was shit/ Chealsa and Newcastle were gaining on us all through 2024
Newcastle are going to be well ahead of us now. Not sure about Chelsea at the moment. Who knows.
5th was papering over enormous fucking cracks last season. Absolutely enormous cracks. We didn't finish as low as 5th because we had injuries. We finished as high as 5th because others were worse.
What do you mean what about them- You asked how many were first team players. I told you-at least seven.
Happy for you to add their total minutes out and get back to me to make you point.
As for Bentacur he is a first team player-as soon as he came back he got injured again.
Might take him off my ignore list for that nugget.
Not that it will register with the possessionites. They don't care if we get 1ppg, as long as we kick it araaaaand a bit.
Were they all out at the same time? No…?
Yes we had 7 first team players injured, so what? This shit sounds a bit like Arse fans who were saying they’ve been hit by injuries last season because a couple of their first team players were out for like one fucking game.
Depends on how you want to look at it. I'd say we finished fifth because we were better than the others over the whole season With a full squad it could have been even higher.
Or do you say he should have been sacked after finishing fifth up from eighth following a season of turmoil, playing someone else's squad and no Kane? Tough crowd.
Personally I think he is on thin ice, but he still has the next month to turn it around.
Real and Ancelotti and other non possession side have amazing world class players, we don’t
We have a cheap bastard cunt of an owner and not one good attacker so taking a different approach seems sensible
You asked about how many first team players and now you want them all out at the same time too to make your point.
Seven first team players even if not out at the same time causes massive issues when there is no depth to the squad and there are no like for like replacements. We see that two days ago.
BTW Dragusin isn't starting because Romero and Van den Ven are better.
8th was the anomaly. We had 3 coaches. We were 4th before that. We were 3rd when we went for a managerial change. We ballsed up massively. If we'd have told Conte to shut up for a couple of months and given him a send off bonus, we'd have got top 5 at worst.
Ange hasn't improved anything but pointless possession stats. He is getting sacked. It will happen before the fireworks.
How many Prem losses in a row could he have before he gets sacked?
Hang on..there were 3 coaches not because things were going well but because the place was a one big shit show. That's what Postecoglou inherited. One big shit show. He got no favours from the previous managers ( unlike Rogers at Celtic where Ange left him the heart beat of the team to build on).
As for Conte, if he stayed, Kane wouldn't have, and without Kane, Conte would have been screwed. Last season would have been even worse.
Postecoglou could very well get sacked this year, no great shame in it really.
Raya vs Kulusevski
Pope vs Maddison
Hermansen made a couple of great saves to dey us too though i cant remember whos shot he was stopping.
The worst thing at the present time is that other clubs'' fans are probably Postecoglou stays.
There can be no worse indictment.
The way this ends has that feeling of inevitability, for lots of reasons, but mostly because we don't really have a player who can go on a 5-match unplayable run.
How we miss star players.
There can be no worse indictment.
The way this ends has that feeling of inevitability, for lots of reasons, but mostly because we don't really have a player who can go on a 5-match unplayable run.
How we miss star players.
You only done it 999 times...you've not done it 1000 times though...that's BC's take.
But be ready to do it again because he's ready to whip that same argument out...might even do it again today.
Agree. Should stay at long as possible in order to rid the supporters of this "if only" crowd of apologists.
We've barely got any players that can go 5 games without getting injured.
I suppose that does kind of make them literally unplayable.
This is what I found after a single google search:
Premier League injuries table: Which club had the most injuries this season?
Man United, Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea all had major injury crises this season - who was worst affected?www.bbc.com
Tottenham had the most injured players in the league at 22.
Good.
Now scroll down a little.
To table "Total days lost to injuries" which also includes LENGTH of the injury, not just number of injuries. Cause in your table missing 1 game with sprained ankle is equal to breaking both of calves, but impact of those injuries is vastly different.
There you can see - Newcastle 1950 days, Tottenham 1402 days. That is 28% difference. Between quarter and one third worse. And that does not include full season ban for their record signing (nothing alike for us during past season).
So any way you look at it, Newcastle had it MUCH worse.