He's salary will be peanuts compared to what Jose and Conte were on. If the time comes to give him the boot his payoff won't be any hindrance.I think he's 1 year in to a 4 year contract mate
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Management Ange Postecoglou
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There's a reason most modern managers have the fullbacks overlap- fullbacks are naturally meant to be out wide, and somewhat deep, where they are naturally suited to delivering crosses while also being able to provide defensive cover on their wing. Having underlapping fullbacks be the main runner into the box is almost certain suicide though- so many times Udogie has lost possession in the box for us to immediately have VDV in a vital footrace to cover vs a winger. That's ok- Udogie is a fullback I'm not expecting him to play like a 10 in the box. I hope Ange isn't either, but, IDK sometime seems a little weird or off about Ange and I'm not sure he's entirely sound in his reasoning or thinking in this regard...
I'm really trying to find some positives....
And we're 9th....
The narrative at the start of the season was that we were not finishing our chances. We’ve been doing better on that front of late, but now it’s the defensive lapses that are costing us. Ange has his work cut out and my worry is that while the attack might click, I don’t know know if he can fix the defence. Maybe just get it serviceable enough so that while we get caught with our high line at times, we at least minimise the stupid mistakes and lapses of concentration.
Not sure why people are so sure he'll automatically get the whole season.
This is our worse start since '08. Since then, Levy has sacked three managers alone in the period between now and Xmas (AVB, Poch, Nuno). Plenty of other, more established managers than Ange went after Xmas but before the season was out (Conte, Mou).
If even Poch didn't have enough credit in the bank to prevent his sacking I'm not sure why Ange would. That is, unless Levy has drunk the same koolaid on Ange half this fanbase seems to have.
Our squad is nowhere near Chelsea, villa are better organised.
Difficult to use our start as a real gauge for his tenure.
Last season, after more rounds, was (I think) our best ever start in the PM ?
Ange wears blame for our capiluation as he is the Manager.
The buffoons on the paddock are just as much to blame.
I think he will turn it around, but even as a fan of his, I doubt Levy will hold back from a sacking if things get worse.
Agree. Add Newcatle to an extent in terms of squad strength, although not in the same bracket.
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Nobody's using our start to gauge his tenure alone; it's also his last 35 games which sees us in 9th.
As for his first ten games last year, what I don't understand is why that opening ten - much of which you could explain by new manager bounce - should be more important than his next 35, when presumably the team are playing football that's a lot closer to the style he wants to implement?
We were repeatedly told by Celtic fans before Ange took over, give him time, ignore the first few months, he's implementing his style, they don't count. But now that those 10 games went well it's basically all a certain portion of the fanbase can talk about, as if that's the true Ange-ball and not the dross he's largely served up ever since.
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Almost like this is due to the manager or something
Sunday might be pivotal. React well to it and the talk quietens.
If on the other hand it is the prelude to a poor run of results then it becomes an active concern..
Neither are more important.
They are all snapshots.
It's whether or not , given time, Ange can change a weak mindset that has prevailed at our Club for decades. Our capitulations stretch way back before Ange.
I will back him in, and I will the first to say I got it wrong should he fail. However, given what he took over , the loss of Kane, the turmoil with Conte, etc, I personally would like to see him play out the season. I believe we have a real chance at the Europa League.
Understandably, many here are fuming after the Brighton loss. I am too. Lets chat again in a month. Hopefully for all of us, he will have steadied the ship.
Good post. Pragmatic.
We won't do anything in the Europa is my view.
I just don't think we are explosive enough, certainly not obdurare and nor do we run away with games. In other words we give teams too much hope, and too many chances.
It's an interesting one on this manager, more so than on many before.
No doubt Postecoglou seems to have credit in the bank, but it's quite hard to see why.
I'm at ease because I don't really have an expectation we will finish top 4 or go deep into any cup competitions. What I don't want to see is capitulation and endless mistakes. That is unbearable and non negotiable.
Show me irrefutable progress and that means improved mentality, clear and emphatic style of play and squad capability (we haven't got it at present) then I might be content. Only might though
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No Ange-Ball wasn't found out in Scotland because
* the competition is low - not competitive
* & Celtic had quality players
but ANgeball for celtic failed big time playing Euro ties.
Angeball conversations in Japan & Aust. shouldnt be carried over to EPL. Let's forget about the last.
Just watch this season - are we still squad-rebuilding??
Angeball - never liked it -entertainment or not. Give me solid steady football any day over kamikazee crazy football
Cups or tightening up? I have faith Ange will reflect on the latter. The PL is too competitive and our players aren’t good enough to outplay everyone and take risks for 90. He’s not stupid and he has to reflect on the first 14 months over the next fortnight and I think he will. Yes, you can blame players but after 50 or so games you have a big enough data set to objectively analyse
Was Sunday kamikaze? First half was superb although I guess we still gave up big chances despite dominating
We can’t play this way for 90 that’s clear
I think that's going to have to wait until Mr Levy vacates his throne. And I also think that Ange is going to find that difficult to achieve if he isn't open to accepting and eradicating his own weaknesses at PL/CL level. His experience has got him this far but he needs to adapt or his way will die at the feet of his (eventually disillusioned) foot-soldiers. He is going to need an ugly plan B from time to time.
Ange has to lead by example and, it doesn't matter how many wholesome fireside family yarns he spins before each game, standing there offering very little from the touch line isn't going to cut it.
Side step: I'd be genuinely interested to know what Levy and co think of what he says after some games. Do they fist pump or squirm?
Completely agree - I was genuinely worried by his response - such flawed logic - like a petulant teenager.
There is a real problem on here in that those who seem to be the angriest and most anti-everything seem to think that everyone else is delusional and crazy for daring to have a different opinion or deciding to look at things through a different lens. How arrogant to think that your point of view is the one truth and everyone else is crazy. You're entitled to your opinion but don't fucking gaslight others and tell them they aren't sound enough of mind to have a valid opinion.