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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
"As a tactical expert" who has never coached a day in his life, nor has he even as much as consulted with an elite club.

Jon is a content creator. It's good content but it's for the Athletic so has to be inflammatory in nature to get enough clicks to justify his existence.

I'm not saying anything we do is or isn't sustainable but Jon Mackenzie is not much more than a narrative merchant but they are, in fairness, much better constructed narratives that carry much more weight than the usual stuff.

Ahoy there Richard! How’s Egypt lately?
 
Look, the loss to Villa and Liverpool in a week was unacceptable for me and any will I have to defend Ange and these injured players is over.

That’s not the same as just accepting the bullshit narratives that people build up based on a load of hot air. Expert sprint analysis being the latest one.

The post I originally replied to said we’d done 500 more sprints than other teams at this point in the season. I just pointed out that over 39 games with 10 outfield players sprinting that’s about 1.2 extra sprints per player per game 😅
And that’s before you even both trying work out if we are taking long sprints, short sprints or total KMs ran.

It’s all a load of bollox for people looking for something easy to blame their frustrations on.

The results are bad enough, we don’t need more amateur hour, context free analysis to try and bullshit our way into easy narratives to attach blame. PL is intense no matter how you play and injuries happen. There is no right way to play or train to avoid injuries and there 100% isn’t a way to play and train that is focused on injury prevention over winning.
I know there's a difference in that those two games saw us knocked out of cup competitions, but I can't for the life of me work out how the losses to Ipswich and Leicester at home, losses to Everton and Palace when they were in dismal form, a draw with Tamworth Rovers in 90 mins, not winning at home since November, only 4 home league wins all season so far, we're all acceptable to you.

And yet losing away to possibly the best team in the world right now, and away to a side comfortably better than us right now, they're not acceptable?

Of all the possible outcomes, I think they were the two least surprising results by far, almost everybody saw them coming a mile off.
 
I know there's a difference in that those two games saw us knocked out of cup competitions, but I can't for the life of me work out how the losses to Ipswich and Leicester at home, losses to Everton and Palace when they were in dismal form, a draw with Tamworth Rovers in 90 mins, not winning at home since November, only 4 home league wins all season so far, we're all acceptable to you.

And yet losing away to possibly the best team in the world right now, and away to a side comfortably better than us right now, they're not acceptable?

Of all the possible outcomes, I think they were the two least surprising results by far, almost everybody saw them coming a mile off.

They are different because they ended our chances of winning something that we really could win. And tbh I prefer cup competitions to the PL anyway.
 
They are different because they ended our chances of winning something that we really could win. And tbh I prefer cup competitions to the PL anyway.
But they were far less pathetic than the aforementioned results, and these results were so predictable because of our dire league form.

There was no way we were magically going to turn it on just because the name of the competition was different.

Surely you weren't really expecting anything other than what we got in those two fixtures?
 
To win anything you need to win a sequence of games.

Ange hardly ever wins a sequence of games since his first ten in charge.

It's over.

Other than the 16 odd games over that Christmas period. And the sequence of games that got us to the SF.

But whatever, if that’s what everyone wants, sack him.

We will be right back here shortly debating the narratives that have evolved around the next man’s imperfections. No matter what level they are… ie Jose and Conte.
 
But they were far less pathetic than the aforementioned results, and these results were so predictable because of our dire league form.

There was no way we were magically going to turn it on just because the name of the competition was different.

Surely you weren't really expecting anything other than what we got in those two fixtures?

Liverpool was disgraceful. Not a single shot on target,

The most cowardly performance since Conte era.
 
"As a tactical expert" who has never coached a day in his life, nor has he even as much as consulted with an elite club.

Jon is a content creator. It's good content but it's for the Athletic so has to be inflammatory in nature to get enough clicks to justify his existence.

I'm not saying anything we do is or isn't sustainable but Jon Mackenzie is not much more than a narrative merchant but they are, in fairness, much better constructed narratives that carry much more weight than the usual stuff.

Some bloke is misquoting his video and he’s explaining to the idiot what he means. Nothing he says is inflammatory or really wrong is it, the video he did on our tactics and photos he posted after the Villa game are completely correct and echo what lots of posters have said. He just backs up the motd2 analysis from weeks before.
 
Some bloke is misquoting his video and he’s explaining to the idiot what he means. Nothing he says is inflammatory or really wrong is it, the video he did on our tactics and photos he posted after the Villa game are completely correct and echo what lots of posters have said. He just backs up the motd2 analysis from weeks before.

I didn't see what he posted after Villa. It was shit, I didn't need a tactical analysis to tell me that.

Thing with a content creator claiming to be a tactical expert is they will never nail their colour to the mast like an actual coach or legit analyst working on the field.

Anyone can test the theory. Just reply to that thread and ask him if he can say for sure that it would never work unless the coach changes the things that he thinks need to change. The squirm and wriggle to avoid committing to an opinion will tell you everything you need to know about the expertise level.
 
I didn't see what he posted after Villa. It was shit, I didn't need a tactical analysis to tell me that.

Thing with a content creator claiming to be a tactical expert is they will never nail their colour to the mast like an actual coach or legit analyst working on the field.

Anyone can test the theory. Just reply to that thread and ask him if he can say for sure that it would never work unless the coach changes the things that he thinks need to change. The squirm and wriggle to avoid committing to an opinion will tell you everything you need to know about the expertise level.

So you’re missing the context then. Never mind.

No idea why you are getting me to defend the bloke. He’s just adding to what others have said which is also correct.
 
Look, the loss to Villa and Liverpool in a week was unacceptable for me and any will I have to defend Ange and these injured players is over.

That’s not the same as just accepting the bullshit narratives that people build up based on a load of hot air. Expert sprint analysis being the latest one.

The post I originally replied to said we’d done 500 more sprints than other teams at this point in the season. I just pointed out that over 39 games with 10 outfield players sprinting that’s about 1.2 extra sprints per player per game 😅
And that’s before you even both trying work out if we are taking long sprints, short sprints or total KMs ran.

It’s all a load of bollox for people looking for something easy to blame their frustrations on.

The results are bad enough, we don’t need more amateur hour, context free analysis to try and bullshit our way into easy narratives to attach blame. PL is intense no matter how you play and injuries happen. There is no right way to play or train to avoid injuries and there 100% isn’t a way to play and train that is focused on injury prevention over winning.

Yeah that's fair. I was intentionally deluding myself into saying we were doing a cup double. That's 100% not happening now and let's face it, the way the season has gone, a EL win and top 10 finish is looking less and less likely.



Obviously not. This season is a disaster so far.



I thought we'd get enough players back for last week and get through at least one of those Cup games. If we were still in the FA Cup with Liverpool, Woolwich and Chelsea all knocked out, plus the EL, this season would still look like it could be salvaged. Now it looks a long way off.




Why is it me they are doubting?



How has this debate on sprints shown a failure to accept I'm wrong? Tbh though, I don't really give a fuck if people want me to accept that I was wrong about Ange because I'm going to defend the next coach from all the bullshit narratives people cook up as well. And one thing I won't be proven wrong about is when I say that bullshit narratives will come for the next coach as well. Because they will come.
It's the price we pay for living on the high line.
 
I know our injury crisis is unbelievable and whether Ange partially caused it or not, he has definitely been given way to much leeway because of it. He still had the players to beat Ipswich and Leicester and to do better against Pool and Villa, but he didn't.

It's not a matter of keeping him to give him a chance when players return or a chance to win the Europa League, if we want to win the Europa we have to move on and should have done so already.

Firmly believe if we get the right players back and under some form of decent coaching then the Europa League, and subsequent CL football next year is a distinct possibility, however this is highly unlikely under Ange and is too big a risk to take.

It will be difficult to replace him mid season, the only premiership manager that is likely anyway reasonably obtainable is Silva, who has Fulham safe and with not a lot to play for. In saying that I would take Benitez over Ange, as I cannot look at Anges inability to organize any form of midfield any longer.
 
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