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Management Ange Postecoglou

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"It's never Ange that's the problem" - the article.

Saying the media has been on him from day one is an absolute joke, never seen a man get an easier ride with the press.

Why is it so hard for people to just admit he is shit?
Yup, it's a bit of a joke at this point. Ange had a fairy-tale start and had the media eating out the palm of his hand for roughly the first six months he was in charge.

I have to say, when people started saying a few months ago that Ange was our worst coach in the Premier League era, I scoffed at first. But things have gone from bad and injury-plagued, to worse and injury-free, and Ange's obstinacy has him obsessing over which player is talking to the media instead of accounting for the terrible form of the club. He is absolutely an empty suit now and you can also see that he's resigned himself to being terminated in the summer, but still there's a dogged contingent that refuses to admit that he's responsible for anything, without absolutely anything to warrant it.
 
He has done an absolute number on not only the players but the board as well it seems.

The bullshit 'siege mentality' he's adopting in which everything is the fans/medias fault is repugnant and everyone from players to owners have fallen for it. It allows for the blame game to be played with no accountability for your own actions.

Really analyse everything and you will really understand what type of long term damage he has done to the club.

His constant spats/digs at fans has resulted in:

* Vicario adopting the same approach and dismissing/laying blame to fans at full time.

* Son taking zero accountability, blaming injuries, pushing Sarr to the fans at Chelski as if any Spurs fans had an issue with Sarr personally as opposed to Bergvall being taken off.

* Sarr's agent a week or so later coming out about him moving (the same Sarr that we hardly ever heard a story about prior to that incident). I said in that match thread Ange will manipulate Sarr after this "don't worry that the fans don't rate you mate but I do" type of bullshit with captain cryalot ready to help his gaffer when needed.

* Romero being absolutely appalling the whole season with the no consequences to his shitness. Romero not showing up to watch games when 'injured' and now walking off and not thanking the fans and releasing shitty statements about how it's this person and that person's fault.



Hell even Levys statement after the financial results had a sly dig at fans. When has that ever happened? say what you want about him but compare that statement to any other one the club as put out...there's a stark difference.


Ange is a manipulative sociopath that uses these sort of underhand methods to get what he wants and it's worked a treat here. Only players I can say haven't fallen for it are Maddison and Spence.
 
Surely you had a few alarm bells even in those first ten games?
Once the dopamine wore off from the late win against Sheff United, I started asking why it took two extremely late goals to beat one of the worst teams in the league.
Then why it took an injury time own goal to beat 9 man Liverpool. Especially when Chelsea tore us to shreds when we had 9 men. Liverpool very nearly won that game too - they had a glorious chance before they scored our winner for us.
There was signs but they were incredibly easy to ignore. Especially with the mood and atmosphere in the stadium.
 
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"That list includes managers like Pochettino, Mourinho, and Conte—guys who had won league titles in top countries. All of them believed they could turn Spurs around. Not one of them was equal to the task.


Because some clubs you just can’t do anything with. Whether that’s down to ownership, bad leadership from executives, or a baked-in culture that makes progress impossible, it’s real. Culture can be changed. Leadership can be replaced. But if those things are as deeply ingrained as they are at Spurs, there’s little light at the end of the tunnel. It can be very difficult—if not impossible—to turn things around in the short to medium term.

And Spurs is one of those clubs. It has both leadership issues and cultural rot. Everyone knows about the chairman. But the cultural rot might be even worse. There are people in and around that dressing room who’ve been there a long time, and they’ve seen managers come and go and be utterly destroyed. One more manager coming and going? So what? It means nothing to them.

Even the new signings can’t be relied on to dig you out of a hole or battle hard when the going gets tough. What do they care? Spurs have become so used to failure that nobody goes there to win trophies. The attractions for any player signing for Spurs include the money, the lifestyle, the London location and playing in the Premier League. None of them go to Spurs because they have a winning mentality. It’s not that kind of club.

Yet they’re followed by a support with a wildly overblown sense of where the club should be."



it may be an Ange puff piece article from a Celtic fan but he may be right about that
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It’s a shite argument

We are limited by Levy. But limited by a wage bill 2/3 of our peer group. We have shown under Poch we can be a top 5 side and a good watch and maybe win the odd cup within those constraints

We SHOULD be better than that and we all hope one day an owner will align our wage bill and ambition with our revenue
 
He has done an absolute number on not only the players but the board as well it seems.

The bullshit 'siege mentality' he's adopting in which everything is the fans/medias fault is repugnant and everyone from players to owners have fallen for it. It allows for the blame game to be played with no accountability for your own actions.

Really analyse everything and you will really understand what type of long term damage he has done to the club.

His constant spats/digs at fans has resulted in:

* Vicario adopting the same approach and dismissing/laying blame to fans at full time.

* Son taking zero accountability, blaming injuries, pushing Sarr to the fans at Chelski as if any Spurs fans had an issue with Sarr personally as opposed to Bergvall being taken off.

* Sarr's agent a week or so later coming out about him moving (the same Sarr that we hardly ever heard a story about prior to that incident). I said in that match thread Ange will manipulate Sarr after this "don't worry that the fans don't rate you mate but I do" type of bullshit with captain cryalot ready to help his gaffer when needed.

* Romero being absolutely appalling the whole season with the no consequences to his shitness. Romero not showing up to watch games when 'injured' and now walking off and not thanking the fans and releasing shitty statements about how it's this person and that person's fault.



Hell even Levys statement after the financial results had a sly dig at fans. When has that ever happened? say what you want about him but compare that statement to any other one the club as put out...there's a stark difference.


Ange is a manipulative sociopath that uses these sort of underhand methods to get what he wants and it's worked a treat here. Only players I can say haven't fallen for it are Maddison and Spence.
Remember all of Ange’s stuff about how fans had the most skin in the game, and it was really all about them?

Ange it seems cannot admit on any level, it seems even to himself, that just maybe he isn’t up to a job at elite level
 
Yea, this shit infuriated me.

To even use term "funny" after such a fucking shitshow (that has followed number of other shitshows down the line) is absolutely unacceptable.

Nothing of this game was funny. But you, my dear old fat fuck, are a joke....
Angelos should be fucking ashamed of himself claiming “our football wasn’t too bad” after another mauling, this time by Wolves.
 
He has done an absolute number on not only the players but the board as well it seems.

The bullshit 'siege mentality' he's adopting in which everything is the fans/medias fault is repugnant and everyone from players to owners have fallen for it. It allows for the blame game to be played with no accountability for your own actions.

Really analyse everything and you will really understand what type of long term damage he has done to the club.

His constant spats/digs at fans has resulted in:

* Vicario adopting the same approach and dismissing/laying blame to fans at full time.

* Son taking zero accountability, blaming injuries, pushing Sarr to the fans at Chelski as if any Spurs fans had an issue with Sarr personally as opposed to Bergvall being taken off.

* Sarr's agent a week or so later coming out about him moving (the same Sarr that we hardly ever heard a story about prior to that incident). I said in that match thread Ange will manipulate Sarr after this "don't worry that the fans don't rate you mate but I do" type of bullshit with captain cryalot ready to help his gaffer when needed.

* Romero being absolutely appalling the whole season with the no consequences to his shitness. Romero not showing up to watch games when 'injured' and now walking off and not thanking the fans and releasing shitty statements about how it's this person and that person's fault.



Hell even Levys statement after the financial results had a sly dig at fans. When has that ever happened? say what you want about him but compare that statement to any other one the club as put out...there's a stark difference.


Ange is a manipulative sociopath that uses these sort of underhand methods to get what he wants and it's worked a treat here. Only players I can say haven't fallen for it are Maddison and Spence.
Whoever replaces Ange is basically going to have to re-program a lot of of the players.

We un-ironically would do well with Potter just for his psychology degree.
 
Angelos should be fucking ashamed of himself claiming “our football wasn’t too bad” after another mauling, this time by Wolves.
Incredible isn't it? He completely separates "football" from the result. He clearly values whether the players are obeying his instructions over the result. Even if the instructions lead to constant defeat. The guy is a complete joke.
 
"It's never Ange that's the problem" - the article.

Saying the media has been on him from day one is an absolute joke, never seen a man get an easier ride with the press.

Why is it so hard for people to just admit he is shit?
If you're a Celtic fan, admitting that Ange is shit involves admitting that anyone can win at your club and your league is a stroll in the park... when you're Celtic. That diminishes your club's accomplishments and your club's standing among all clubs.

Perhaps that is the reason for the motivated reasoning we see here. You must believe that it's Tottenham Hotspur football club's fault or else you admit that Celtic is the opposite of Spurs, one where any idiot can win a treble and in Ange's case, one did
 
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Yup, it's a bit of a joke at this point. Ange had a fairy-tale start and had the media eating out the palm of his hand for roughly the first six months he was in charge.

I have to say, when people started saying a few months ago that Ange was our worst coach in the Premier League era, I scoffed at first. But things have gone from bad and injury-plagued, to worse and injury-free, and Ange's obstinacy has him obsessing over which player is talking to the media instead of accounting for the terrible form of the club. He is absolutely an empty suit now and you can also see that he's resigned himself to being terminated in the summer, but still there's a dogged contingent that refuses to admit that he's responsible for anything, without absolutely anything to warrant it.
To your point about the media and his start, Ange has lived by the media and now his career may be ended by it. Not because the media is aggressively against him but because he won't stop talking about things that have little to do with what happens on the pitch. The mole business is just the latest in a series of unforced errors. Nobody demanded that he discuss winning a trophy in his second season, he just volunteered it and set the expectation. Then there was the business last season about not caring if Spurs were in Champions League if it meant his system wasn't adhered to and taking out after the fans over their attitude toward the Manchester City game when Woolrich had a chance at the title. Some managers bring the fans together behind the team, most don't have much effect on fan support, and it is rare you see a manager divide fans against each other as Postecoglou has done.
 
What is this Celtic fanboy talking about "cultural rot" separate from the club's leadership? The culture comes from leadership. If the manager were sacked and the board replaced with people who know what they're doing, it could be fixed.

They act as if the stadium was built over land cursed by druids. Football clubs are collections of humans, you change the humans and you change the club.

It's not as though Ange is being haunted by Sherwood's ghost and that's why Ange is the worst manager we've had. It's because he's clueless and is several levels out of his depth.
 
He has done an absolute number on not only the players but the board as well it seems.

The bullshit 'siege mentality' he's adopting in which everything is the fans/medias fault is repugnant and everyone from players to owners have fallen for it. It allows for the blame game to be played with no accountability for your own actions.

Really analyse everything and you will really understand what type of long term damage he has done to the club.

His constant spats/digs at fans has resulted in:

* Vicario adopting the same approach and dismissing/laying blame to fans at full time.

* Son taking zero accountability, blaming injuries, pushing Sarr to the fans at Chelski as if any Spurs fans had an issue with Sarr personally as opposed to Bergvall being taken off.

* Sarr's agent a week or so later coming out about him moving (the same Sarr that we hardly ever heard a story about prior to that incident). I said in that match thread Ange will manipulate Sarr after this "don't worry that the fans don't rate you mate but I do" type of bullshit with captain cryalot ready to help his gaffer when needed.

* Romero being absolutely appalling the whole season with the no consequences to his shitness. Romero not showing up to watch games when 'injured' and now walking off and not thanking the fans and releasing shitty statements about how it's this person and that person's fault.



Hell even Levys statement after the financial results had a sly dig at fans. When has that ever happened? say what you want about him but compare that statement to any other one the club as put out...there's a stark difference.


Ange is a manipulative sociopath that uses these sort of underhand methods to get what he wants and it's worked a treat here. Only players I can say haven't fallen for it are Maddison and Spence.
That is a top post mate, hit the nail firmly on the head.
 
It’s a shite argument

We are limited by Levy. But limited by a wage bill 2/3 of our peer group. We have shown under Poch we can be a top 5 side and a good watch and maybe win the odd cup within those constraints

We SHOULD be better than that and we all hope one day an owner will align our wage bill and ambition with our revenue
Under poch we were an all star team....now we're a no star team..this poch infatuation is ridiculous...especially with these players.
 
He has done an absolute number on not only the players but the board as well it seems.

The bullshit 'siege mentality' he's adopting in which everything is the fans/medias fault is repugnant and everyone from players to owners have fallen for it. It allows for the blame game to be played with no accountability for your own actions.

Really analyse everything and you will really understand what type of long term damage he has done to the club.

His constant spats/digs at fans has resulted in:

* Vicario adopting the same approach and dismissing/laying blame to fans at full time.

* Son taking zero accountability, blaming injuries, pushing Sarr to the fans at Chelski as if any Spurs fans had an issue with Sarr personally as opposed to Bergvall being taken off.

* Sarr's agent a week or so later coming out about him moving (the same Sarr that we hardly ever heard a story about prior to that incident). I said in that match thread Ange will manipulate Sarr after this "don't worry that the fans don't rate you mate but I do" type of bullshit with captain cryalot ready to help his gaffer when needed.

* Romero being absolutely appalling the whole season with the no consequences to his shitness. Romero not showing up to watch games when 'injured' and now walking off and not thanking the fans and releasing shitty statements about how it's this person and that person's fault.



Hell even Levys statement after the financial results had a sly dig at fans. When has that ever happened? say what you want about him but compare that statement to any other one the club as put out...there's a stark difference.


Ange is a manipulative sociopath that uses these sort of underhand methods to get what he wants and it's worked a treat here. Only players I can say haven't fallen for it are Maddison and Spence.
This is the only area where Ange is a tactical genius. He's always got an excuse ready as to why it isn't his fault. Garry Kasparov couldn't checkmate Ange when it comes to making excuses about what happens on the pitch and refusing to accept any responsibility for what the plain results are in black and white.
 
"That list includes managers like Pochettino, Mourinho, and Conte—guys who had won league titles in top countries. All of them believed they could turn Spurs around. Not one of them was equal to the task.


Because some clubs you just can’t do anything with. Whether that’s down to ownership, bad leadership from executives, or a baked-in culture that makes progress impossible, it’s real. Culture can be changed. Leadership can be replaced. But if those things are as deeply ingrained as they are at Spurs, there’s little light at the end of the tunnel. It can be very difficult—if not impossible—to turn things around in the short to medium term.

And Spurs is one of those clubs. It has both leadership issues and cultural rot. Everyone knows about the chairman. But the cultural rot might be even worse. There are people in and around that dressing room who’ve been there a long time, and they’ve seen managers come and go and be utterly destroyed. One more manager coming and going? So what? It means nothing to them.

Even the new signings can’t be relied on to dig you out of a hole or battle hard when the going gets tough. What do they care? Spurs have become so used to failure that nobody goes there to win trophies. The attractions for any player signing for Spurs include the money, the lifestyle, the London location and playing in the Premier League. None of them go to Spurs because they have a winning mentality. It’s not that kind of club.

Yet they’re followed by a support with a wildly overblown sense of where the club should be."



it may be an Ange puff piece article from a Celtic fan but he may be right about that
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Anyone that follows Celtic has absolutely no fucking idea what it means to "compete" for anything unless they count their numerous arse-rapings in Europe as "competitive". Its Rangers with any recent pedigree in Europe, Celtic exist in European competition as a goal difference booster for serious sides.
 
Angelos should be fucking ashamed of himself claiming “our football wasn’t too bad” after another mauling, this time by Wolves.
What's worse is that he claims, "We Controlled The Game". What game was he watching. We had alot of the ball but Control implies that we had had the best of Wolves. He is a delusional Narcissist, that cannot admit he is wrong. So much so, that he truly believes his shitty tactics are superior.
 
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