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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Nuno had great success with Wolves before coming here, he got them into Europe FFS. Ange has never done anything on that level. He would 100% get them relegated. The only reason we aren't relegated this season is because the three promoted teams are the worst in PL history.
People who genuinely compare Postecoglou with Nuno are just underlining their own ignorance of soccer.
 
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I don't. He has to risk it at some point. We are on our ass if he gets us facing the right way over the clown which he will he will look even better. I think he is exactly who we should get. Forget the hipsters and their progressive football. He is a coach one who improves players. Raya Damsgaurd Watkins Toney Wissa Embeumo. He is the right pick which is why Levy will call wrong.

He’s previously said, you don’t pick your next club, you pick your next chairman. That doesn’t sound like a man stupid enough to come and work for levy.
 
Wrong time to do this debate tho.

People will always answer this question based on the form of the team instead of the quality of the player.

What we aren't atm is a functioning team in the PL, so all our players look worse than they are. That can change quickly

Yes, it would be a better time to do it when we’re on form and posters like you overrate them all instead.

There is never a perfect time to rate footballers. But a group of top players wouldn’t be headed for 17th. They’d pull their shit together individually and do better.

We have some decent ones and a lot of overrated crap. That season has made this so clear. Very few who have stepped up in a tough situation.
 
Ok. Got ya.

So my view is. None of Romero, Van Der Ven, Udogie, Vicario, Madisson, Odobert, Dragusin, Richarlison have shown anything to suggest these players would get a Top 8 position this year ( I had not stated “this year” earlier).

My second point was. All the others are youngsters or from team who were competing in the bottom 8 not the top 8 before we signed them. Perhaps that is fairly sweeping, as a player like Porro is not in that category, but Gray would be.

The final point was that just because Tottenham sign someone, does not mean they will be anywhere what we needed to progress as a club.

Hope that clarifies, And not totally sure where Forest come into your reply, so apologies if I am missing that point.

Cheers, but all you are effectively doing is assigning capability to this season's table.

How do you account for last season where we finished 5th?

It would be impossible to argue that our players had played so well as to get top 8 position this season, Paradoxical and incoherent in truth.

Far better and arguably fairer to look at the last 2 seasons, to see what has changed and then to make a prediction for next season.
 
Yes, it would be a better time to do it when we’re on form and posters like you overrate them all instead.

There is never a perfect time to rate footballers. But a group of top players wouldn’t be headed for 17th. They’d pull their shit together individually and do better.

We have some decent ones and a lot of overrated crap. That season has made this so clear. Very few who have stepped up in a tough situation.

Most of them have been injured the whole season
 
Cheers, but all you are effectively doing is assigning capability to this season's table.

How do you account for last season where we finished 5th?

It would be impossible to argue that our players had played so well as to get top 8 position this season, Paradoxical and incoherent in truth.

Far better and arguably fairer to look at the last 2 seasons, to see what has changed and then to make a prediction for next season.
Reasonable question. Accounting for 5th is difficult. It was an improvement. It was a disappointment.

I might be misremembering, but I don’t think any other club who had been in the position we were in November 2023 had ever before then failed to finish in the Top 4. That’s the disappointment part.

If I may, what do you think has changed across the two seasons ?

For me, it’s that Ange got found out and didn’t change. The players, for their part in this were and are not of good enough quality across both seasons. Had largely come from “inferior” clubs and been purchased at a compromised price.
 
Nuno had great success with Wolves before coming here, he got them into Europe FFS. Ange has never done anything on that level. He would 100% get them relegated. The only reason we aren't relegated this season is because the three promoted teams are the worst in PL history.
It was meant as irony and I agree with you that he did well at Wolves - but he also had led Rio Ave (2012-14) to 6th & 11th and got them to the UEFA cup for the first time in their history by winning a cup; and then led Valencia to 4th in Liga (2013-14) and Porto to 2nd place in Primeira (2016-17). And albeit he only lasted 1 season at each club the 2 last clubs he had several seasons of experience in European top leagues (plus that he was a decent player).
But you're wrong about the relegation thing. I am in no way defending Spurs' poor and pathetic performances and results in the PL but the 37 points Spurs have now would have kept them up not only this season...
2023-24 - 18th team 26 points
2022-23 - 18th team 34 points
2021-22 - 18th team 35 points
2020-21 - 18th team 28 points
2019-20 - 18th team 34 points
2018-19 - 18th team 34 points
 
It was meant as irony and I agree with you that he did well at Wolves - but he also had led Rio Ave (2012-14) to 6th & 11th and got them to the UEFA cup for the first time in their history by winning a cup; and then led Valencia to 4th in Liga (2013-14) and Porto to 2nd place in Primeira (2016-17). And albeit he only lasted 1 season at each club the 2 last clubs he had several seasons of experience in European top leagues (plus that he was a decent player).
But you're wrong about the relegation thing. I am in no way defending Spurs' poor and pathetic performances and results in the PL but the 37 points Spurs have now would have kept them up not only this season...
2023-24 - 18th team 26 points
2022-23 - 18th team 34 points
2021-22 - 18th team 35 points
2020-21 - 18th team 28 points
2019-20 - 18th team 34 points
2018-19 - 18th team 34 points
Believe me - just one legit team from relegation zone straight on our back - and we dont have 37 points at this stage of season with Ange at the wheel. We would have fewer, because we would struggle under pressure caused by real relegation danger.

But on the other hand - probably fraud would be already gone in such scenario.
 
You honestly can't believe Levy would rather lose than win
Geez you're the king of Straw Men here. I never said that, not even close.
not really
and certainly not enough
you arguing with that one? I've evidenced it with his actions before an FA cup semi and a LC final. What more do you fucking want? An interrogation with his gonads wired up to the National Grid?

Levy doesn't care enough. Fact. He's ambivalent. But if the money is coming in, and he's on course to sell up for 4bn, happy days for baldy.

Stop misquoting me you ignoramus.
 
Reasonable question. Accounting for 5th is difficult. It was an improvement. It was a disappointment.

I might be misremembering, but I don’t think any other club who had been in the position we were in November 2023 had ever before then failed to finish in the Top 4. That’s the disappointment part.

If I may, what do you think has changed across the two seasons ?

For me, it’s that Ange got found out and didn’t change. The players, for their part in this were and are not of good enough quality across both seasons. Had largely come from “inferior” clubs and been purchased at a compromised price.

On 5th, I just think this group over a season played to their optimum.

I also think players like Hjojberg were underrated (and not adequately replaced), and that our excellent start was not matched by many teams over a similar period at any point of the season,obviously top 4 apart. This season nothing of the sort, and it shows.

We have nothing that scares teams. Nothing. We can't dominate games, we lack experience and we are inexplicably fallible, too much of the time. It's a recipe for paucity, and it has shown.

But the players collectively are much better than 15th, and it's flawed for people to deride what is spent on players by the club based simply on us sitting 15th. That's not analysis as opposed to just looking at the table and extrapolating to suit a narrative.

Postecoglou found out? Nah. It's all fallacy. I am not even sure what that means. He and his coaching team haven't been good enough, and nearly 2 years on, it's that simple. Systems don't get beaten, but players who look poorly coached, repeating mistakes and not motivated in the right way or as needed, do.
 
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Today's hilarious defence of Ange courtesy of a random redditor:

"If we get rid of Ange we can no longer have a no wrong'uns principle in player recruitment."

Apparently if we let Ange go we are going to sign the Anti-Christ to play fullback.
 
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