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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Notabadsquad said:
A conundrum of a coach. A pity but there you go..
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There's no conundrum. He is not very good. Not very good coaches have respectable cup records all of the time because cup football is subject to a huge deal of luck, especially competitions like the Europa League which is hugely subjected to "does this team care about this a lot/do they have much to play for in the league?" and if the answer is no, teams generally progress well in it.

What we have done is essentially fall back on a relatively pragmatic/practical style to win a few games that under any normal circumstances would be considered a walkover. Over 180 minutes I don't think I saw a single Bodo player show anything resembling elite level talent. And by that I mean being a premier league quality footballer. Even AZ had a few who showed this.
 
Deuterz said:
There's no conundrum. He is not very good. Not very good coaches have respectable cup records all of the time because cup football is subject to a huge deal of luck, especially competitions like the Europa League which is hugely subjected to "does this team care about this a lot/do they have much to play for in the league?" and if the answer is no, teams generally progress well in it.

What we have done is essentially fall back on a relatively pragmatic/practical style to win a few games that under any normal circumstances would be considered a walkover. Over 180 minutes I don't think I saw a single Bodo player show anything resembling elite level talent. And by that I mean being a premier league quality footballer. Even AZ had a few who showed this.
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Bodo aren’t about individual quality, they are about a team that has played the same system for years and players who come together to be greater than the sum of their parts.

They’d soundly beaten other teams who did have quality and were also prioritizing the EL over their domestic leagues in Norway but we were the only team to stop them scoring at home in a calendar year.

If it was easy to win in Bodo because they don’t have individual quality then more teams would have done it over the years but they haven’t.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Bodo aren’t about individual quality, they are about a team that has played the same system for years and players who come together to be greater than the sum of their parts.

They’d soundly beaten other teams who did have quality and were also prioritizing the EL over their domestic leagues in Norway but we were the only team to stop them scoring at home in a calendar year.

If it was easy to win in Bodo because they don’t have individual quality then more teams would have done it over the years but they haven’t.
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They are shite. Their record is so impressive on paper until you delve in to the actual teams they've played and their circumstances. Usually they do it when teams are distracted and take them for granted or when its the first leg and they have a bit of momentum and its freezing weather. Cunts lost to Qarabag at home in this same league competition, they've played like 5 games of their league season or whatever and the weather is mild.


It is easy. They are so championship it hurts. They can beat teams at home under specific circumstances but its a massively overhyped factor and I said this prior to the second game. Keep focus and don't give away anything stupid first 15 and they have zero quality to do anything beyond that. Fucking trying to hype up the challenge of defeating a team with a wage budget that make Wrexham look like trillionaires.

Big teams lose to Bodo for the same reason we lost to Mura that one time. They aren't focused on the EL and Bodo treat it as their cup final. Well we treated these two games as our cup final too.
 
glacierSpurs said:
Sorry, but really disagree with this general consensus. This season we had the likes of Lazio, Roma, Frankfurt, Lyon, Rangers, Olympiacos, Ajax, Galatasaray, Porto. These are common CL participants. Even Besiktas, Salvia Praha, Qarabag, Dynamo Kyiv, Fernebahce are teams more often than not appear in CL previously. They are also probably the teams dropped down to the Europa based on precious format. Not like it's always Juventus, PSG, Inter, RM dropped down to play Europa, making it sooo difficult after group stages.

I would said luck plays more of a part in this new format during the draw which will even out itself, but the difficulty hasn't been lower. The new format has introduced more games and more excitement IMO. We were lucky in our match ups, but that really didn't diminish the whole tournament difficulty.

We should really give more credits to ourselves and the squad in reaching the final and don't let external narratives keep forming to undermine our run. If it's other teams of the big 6 at our position, probably nobody would even think it's the new format allowing them to be in the final. It will always be how fantastic they are.
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If Lazio beat Bodo and we got past them in the semi final then half of these desperate narratives wouldn't even have existed.
 
Deuterz said:
There's no conundrum. He is not very good. Not very good coaches have respectable cup records all of the time because cup football is subject to a huge deal of luck, especially competitions like the Europa League which is hugely subjected to "does this team care about this a lot/do they have much to play for in the league?" and if the answer is no, teams generally progress well in it.

What we have done is essentially fall back on a relatively pragmatic/practical style to win a few games that under any normal circumstances would be considered a walkover. Over 180 minutes I don't think I saw a single Bodo player show anything resembling elite level talent. And by that I mean being a premier league quality footballer. Even AZ had a few who showed this.
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Brother it's done. All the turn coats and their revolving door weakness will not save him. The blokes gone. Now it's about wether we get a trophy as the door hits him in the ass on the way out. They will not make the Ten Hag error they know he's not up to it.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Brother it's done. All the turn coats and their revolving door weakness will not save him. The blokes gone. Now it's about wether we get a trophy as the door hits him in the ass on the way out. They will not make the Ten Hag error they know he's not up to it.,
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Mate I honestly don't think so. The shit the club is putting out there atm makes me think it is behind him entirely. If he wins it he will ride a wave, the people who have always just been waiting for a good run to get fully behind him again will be ultra vocal and he'll stay. Some people already on this forum, based on winning vs a Norwegian team, have got fully behind Ange again.

It's utterly crazy and illogical and I thought it impossible based on the insane underperformance vs our actual peers this season but our fans might actually make sure he stays on because we've beaten some dross in Europe. Nevermind what has happened when up against English sides with proper budgets.

I want to win the cup but I am terrified of yet another depressing, shite season with a coach who is not of premier league calibre but will be even more obnoxious and parade a EL trophy weekly in press conferences as if he won the world cup and we should bow at his feet.
 
Deuterz said:
Mate I honestly don't think so. The shit the club is putting out there atm makes me think it is behind him entirely. If he wins it he will ride a wave, the people who have always just been waiting for a good run to get fully behind him again will be ultra vocal and he'll stay. Some people already on this forum, based on winning vs a Norwegian team, have got fully behind Ange again.

It's utterly crazy and illogical and I thought it impossible based on the insane underperformance vs our actual peers this season but our fans might actually make sure he stays on because we've beaten some dross in Europe. Nevermind what has happened when up against English sides with proper budgets.

I want to win the cup but I am terrified of yet another depressing, shite season with a coach who is not of premier league calibre but will be even more obnoxious and parade a EL trophy weekly in press conferences as if he won the world cup and we should bow at his feet.
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Yeah, cos we won loads of trophies in the last 40 years. Where was this opinion the last 5 years during all the debates about finishing 17th and winning a trophy is better than finishing 4th?
 
Deuterz said:
There's no conundrum. He is not very good. Not very good coaches have respectable cup records all of the time because cup football is subject to a huge deal of luck, especially competitions like the Europa League which is hugely subjected to "does this team care about this a lot/do they have much to play for in the league?" and if the answer is no, teams generally progress well in it.

What we have done is essentially fall back on a relatively pragmatic/practical style to win a few games that under any normal circumstances would be considered a walkover. Over 180 minutes I don't think I saw a single Bodo player show anything resembling elite level talent. And by that I mean being a premier league quality footballer. Even AZ had a few who showed this.
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Firstly, I didn't break down my comment. That want a deliberate ploy but early morning laziness.

However what I meant specifically on this occasion is that Postecoglou is very good in-between games and at press conferences, with much of what he says being very much on-point.

So, the conundrums is how he talks with such clarity and at times humour, and yet fails to translate that on the pitch, or to ensure pragmatism on a weekly basis.

Either way, I'm very clear on what I think needs to occur at the end of the season.
 
glacierSpurs said:
Sorry, but really disagree with this general consensus. This season we had the likes of Lazio, Roma, Frankfurt, Lyon, Rangers, Olympiacos, Ajax, Galatasaray, Porto. These are common CL participants. Even Besiktas, Salvia Praha, Qarabag, Dynamo Kyiv, Fernebahce are teams more often than not appear in CL previously. They are also probably the teams dropped down to the Europa based on precious format. Not like it's always Juventus, PSG, Inter, RM dropped down to play Europa, making it sooo difficult after group stages.

I would said luck plays more of a part in this new format during the draw which will even out itself, but the difficulty hasn't been lower. The new format has introduced more games and more excitement IMO. We were lucky in our match ups, but that really didn't diminish the whole tournament difficulty.

We should really give more credits to ourselves and the squad in reaching the final and don't let external narratives keep forming to undermine our run. If it's other teams of the big 6 at our position, probably nobody would even think it's the new format allowing them to be in the final. It will always be how fantastic they are.
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I’ve enjoyed it and would happily be in it again in two seasons time. The games are a lot more fun across the board and the failure CL teams should never have been allowed in it from day one. It was always stupid and didn’t help the reputation of the tournament.
 
glacierSpurs said:
Imagine we swap sides with United and the final is still between us two, you can bet everyone will still say United has their winning experience to thank for to get past these tricky ties.
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Meh, if we win no one's gonna give a toss who we played, these things are often forgotten about when teams win a trophy.

Remember Portugal's run in Euro 2016? They had a lot of 'easier' and opponents before playing France in the final and winning...no one remembers who they faced on the way.
 
glacierSpurs said:
Sorry, but really disagree with this general consensus. This season we had the likes of Lazio, Roma, Frankfurt, Lyon, Rangers, Olympiacos, Ajax, Galatasaray, Porto. These are common CL participants. Even Besiktas, Salvia Praha, Qarabag, Dynamo Kyiv, Fernebahce are teams more often than not appear in CL previously. They are also probably the teams dropped down to the Europa based on precious format. Not like it's always Juventus, PSG, Inter, RM dropped down to play Europa, making it sooo difficult after group stages.
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I do not want to detract from our achievement of reaching an EL final - we deserve it and it has not been as easy as some make out. However, this year, the 8 clubs dropping out of the CL before the knockout phase began were:

Juventus
Manchester City
AS Monaco
Sporting Lisbon
Celtic
AC Milan
Atalanta
Brest

Would they have been more difficult than AZ, Frankfurt and Bodø over 2-legs?

Personally I am glad they changed the rule. Surprised the likes of Wenger did not have a problem with teams eliminated from their CL group (finishing 3rd out of 4 teams) still getting a second chance at a European trophy and CL qualification.
 
Blanchflower said:
I just don't get why in Europe we see the two holding midfielders in a 4231 and yet never in the PL - it's always the 433 that leaves our defence exposed and our striker isolated.

If he'd played the EL tactic all season I suspect he'd still have a job in September.
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I've been saying this since the back end of last season.
Double pivot.
Especially in the PL you have to play a double pivot. We are constantly outnumbered in transitions and it's compounded by the inverted fullback tactic.
There really isn't a top team in the PL that doesn't play double pivot or some variation of it. Even in Europe we see inter, barca, psg play 3 in midfield but double pivot, not single pivot. There's fluidity in the midfield but they don't leave themselves short by asking 1 man to fill both full back slots and try and try and cover the CB too. It's too much work to cover.
 
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