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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Deuterz said:
Yeah spot on. Think this is the post of the thread so far.

People calling for a third season make me despair. It will be disastrous. The football for so long has been terrible. It amazes me people saw what happened with Ten Haag and want to do that all over again except we’re worse than United ever were under him.

There will be no Bodo and Qarabag mid week for him to fall back on next season. We will never be able to rotate. We couldn’t even handle focusing on Europa whilst remaining semi competitive in England, let alone the champions league.

It’s going to be a messy, horrible disaster as he isn’t fit for purpose, and some of our fans will have willed that disaster on.
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I can't watch another league season where we get dominated by all the prem teams again

We have been sussed out and got a run in the europa the cl teams will be a different proposition not to mention prem teams sussing us out. Will he adapt i don't think he will in the league
 
tommyboyspurs said:
I can't watch another league season where we get dominated by all the prem teams again

We have been sussed out and got a run in the europa the cl teams will be a different proposition not to mention prem teams sussing us out. Will he adapt i don't think he will in the league
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Prem & CL teams are a different stratosphere to the Europa league. Which is why this fucking fraud chucked it all at the Europa league anyway - it’s the only competition he knew he could do something in.

Can you imagine this side under his coaching dealing with Barca, PSG etc? It doesn’t bare thinking about. Alkmaar, Frankfurt and United gave us fierce contests FFS.
 
Deuterz said:
Prem & CL teams are a different stratosphere to the Europa league. Which is why this fucking fraud chucked it all at the Europa league anyway - it’s the only competition he knew he could do something in.

Can you imagine this side under his coaching dealing with Barca, PSG etc? It doesn’t bare thinking about. Alkmaar, Frankfurt and United gave us fierce contests FFS.
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Yep but as I feared sentimentality has seeped again and it seems he will likely stay I'm just hoping paratici has a say in this when he comes in.
 
FightingIllini said:
2. I am resolved not to be mad either way. It's a tricky one.
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Harrier said:
Fuck it!

Let’s get this man some really top notch assistants and go again!
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Yeah these 2 takes pretty much sum it up for me.

Wednesday night changed everything in a way many of us never envisaged, mainly because we were all so numb for a few months + we’d all forgotten how good/transformative a significant trophy can be. I had the best day of my Spurs life in Bilbao (I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1988) and Ange was my manager. I don’t want to forget that in a hurry.

It is not like Ten Haag winning the FA cup, it’s much much more than that. You only had to watch that parade to realise that.

So personally, I’ve pretty much done a handbrake turn at 100 mph on the M1. I’m not convinced keeping him is the right move, but how can we sack him now. I think we’d be a laughing stock in many circles if we did. And no that’s not a consideration for any business decision but the football world is a bit different and reputations count.

I’m an Ange fan again. And it’s irrational. But FUCK IT!!
 
He deserves to carry on. I am hoping the terrible league form was him sacrificing it all for the Trophy. However, his job is to make us competitive in the league not just sack it off.

Or we could win the Champions League and finish 17th?
 
I liked the way he set the team to play against the opponents in the EL knockout phase. Spurs played advantagesly and he managed to take full advantage under the different circumstances of each game.

I think his biggest problem with the step up in grade is not understanding the massive improvement in ability of both his and opposition players. One size does not all at this level. It never will and it is a level the game is constantly changing. It is this level that creates the tune of how the game danced to.

I fully agree with him about mentality. A winning mentality is something you either have or you do not have. This is the same across all professional sport. Micheal Jordon for example would play at the highest level in whatever sport he took up at Young age, and concentrated on. That's natural ability and extreme mentality all in one.

Ange has the experience now at the highest level so that is a yesterday problem. If he can make big improvements in the tactical and technical areas of the game. Who knows? Spurs may really have the start of something.

Certainly getting the right mentality in to any club and team is a very difficult exercise and a major achievement if has managed this. Who knows if that's the case.

Personally I hope he and the club do great things. Though in my hopes Spurs are first a lot of distance a few other things then Ange.

I guess I'll find out the answers to all of these things next season.
 
bk_spur said:
2019 was better.
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2019 had a higher dopamine hit in the moment we scored, but this feels way better. We beat Ajax, it felt absolutely wonderful at the moment, but in the back of the head there was a voice thinking "job is not done". When that final whistle went on Wednesday, that relief was the best feeling I've ever had.

I wanted to stop crying like an idiot, and I couldn't. For 20 minutes. Nothing compares to winning an actual trophy, especially a European one.
 
Richard Arlison said:
If I say how confident I am about this squad for next season, the usuals won’t be able to keep their shit together so I’ll save it for later.

Ange will go into recruitment phone calls on zoom with the 4 top buttons undone, chest hair and a gold chain swinging.
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FightingIllini said:
The irony is, had we lost on Wednesday, our prospects for a new manager would have been EXTREMELY dim, this would be a job to absolutely flee from, and yet it would have been a simple decision, Ange had failed, time to move onto something else, even if it's a mediocrity like Marco Silva (and even he might not have taken the job).

But by winning, Ange has made the job MUCH more attractive (CL qualification and money is a big deal, but also getting the trophy monkey off the club's back makes it IMMESURABLY less toxic of an environment) and so now that he's in the frame to retain the job, his potential competition is much stronger.

I really only have two takes to offer on the situation.

1. I think it would behoove the club to take a second to breathe and think it over. What are the summer squad needs looking like and what is the backroom structure making those decisions? What kind of tactics does Ange even want to play moving forward? How strong is his support in the dressing room really? Hard to have good, confident answers to these questions in the fog of victory.

2. I am resolved not to be mad either way. It's a tricky one.


Right, yeah, that's a good way to frame it. Not sure how promising that avenue looks, even with the CL boon.
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Measured and sensible response.

You sure you're in the right place?

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Next year we're not winning any European league. CL teams are not dropping down anymore. We're going to suck in the league again under Ange, and we're going to be in even deeper shit going forward. This man has already ruined a lot. We need to sack after the last league game. Only an idiot would be happy with finishing 17th (or 16th if we're lucky).
 
Ange is a great motivator, the players love him, and he's instilled a winning mentality into them. The problem is the fact that he's not good tactically. With tonight, he's talked his way back to the fans, and has made ENIC's decision 10x harder.
 
sudoku said:
No shit, Sherlock.
WUM.
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I’d give you a proper reply but it’s not appropriate to make fun of mentally disabled people.
Darnswim 🇦🇱 said:
2019 had a higher dopamine hit in the moment we scored, but this feels way better. We beat Ajax, it felt absolutely wonderful at the moment, but in the back of the head there was a voice thinking "job is not done". When that final whistle went on Wednesday, that relief was the best feeling I've ever had.

I wanted to stop crying like an idiot, and I couldn't. For 20 minutes. Nothing compares to winning an actual trophy, especially a European one.
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Look I’m glad about winning a trophy and REALLY glad about how it made a lot of Spurs fans- people I like- feel better. That is genuinely awesome.

I just am a severe realist and cannot pretend it was more of an accomplishment than it was.

I am also not someone who cares about “trophies”- I like it when the team is the best or close to it. I enjoy watching great sporting talent. Winning EL with this oppo, in that fashion is just not particularly satisfying for me. I really am genuinely glad people feel good about the win, and I’m resigned to watching another season of Ange ball.
 
I've just seen the video of Ange's speech , it certainly doesn't sound like he's going anywhere , or at least that's what he thinks .
Plus I've seen plenty of 3rd season shows where it was obvious that they should have stopped at 2 , money and emotion being the drivers .
Not sure that I'm convinced that anything will change , maybe more pragmatic when we're up with 1/2 hour to go , that will get us more points . My concern what is going to change to stop us going behind by 1 or 2 within the first 20mins because we were so exposed on the flanks because that's the way we play in the league .
He said himself that he played the cup games differently at the end because they are different from the league , so that suggests that he thinks that the way he plays is the way we play in the league .
With CL as well next season we can't afford a poor start in either the league or CL and then go "Oh shit we need to change manager and now !", that's going to be too late .
Some big decisions to make for Levy , going to be interesting .
 
Crowny said:
Yeah these 2 takes pretty much sum it up for me.

Wednesday night changed everything in a way many of us never envisaged, mainly because we were all so numb for a few months + we’d all forgotten how good/transformative a significant trophy can be. I had the best day of my Spurs life in Bilbao (I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1988) and Ange was my manager. I don’t want to forget that in a hurry.

It is not like Ten Haag winning the FA cup, it’s much much more than that. You only had to watch that parade to realise that.

So personally, I’ve pretty much done a handbrake turn at 100 mph on the M1. I’m not convinced keeping him is the right move, but how can we sack him now. I think we’d be a laughing stock in many circles if we did. And no that’s not a consideration for any business decision but the football world is a bit different and reputations count.

I’m an Ange fan again. And it’s irrational. But FUCK IT!!
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If reputations do count, were do we stand in the PL?
 
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