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The issue is that our stock is currently quite high after winning the Europa League and securing Champions League football. Right now, the pool of quality, gettable managers is wider because the job looks appealing. But if we wait until the inevitable poor league form, bottom half of the table, and out of the Champions League, around a November, the job becomes far less attractive. At that point, our options will be severely limited, and we’ll be scraping around and likely end up with Mason or someone similar as another interim solution. It could be a missed opportunity if we don’t act while our position still carries weight.
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You saw the parade celebrations and the fans in the stadium chanting his name. Emotions are high right now. Sacking him within a week of the cup win would bring huge heat. This forum doesn't represent the general consensus. In fact social media and places like this usually finds the extremes
So, you think most fans want him to stay?
If accurate is probably a stronger indication of what might happen IMHO
He also got a £2m bonus for the Europa league win. I’m sure he will do very well out of us by the end.
I get not doing it today but how long do you leave it? We need to start making plans, preperation for next season should really be starting today. Needs to be by the end of this week at the latest imo.
As for the heat, he sacked the massively popular Jol at half time, Redknapp after finishing 4th, Poch 6 months after a CL final and Mourinho 6 days before a final. Fans will get over it and look forward as that is what fans do, apart from the ones that seem to support an individual and not the club but who cares about them.
“On all TV dramas season 3 is better than season 2” - Levy is going to be shot!
My guess is next Monday once they've a candidate selected and terms agreed. I think CL football would have changed the list of candidates too. People like Iraola, Frank and Silva have no CL experience so all of a sudden they become big gambles. Xavi and Glasner are probably the 2 that tick the most boxes. They've a week to let the emotions die down and nail down who their prime candidate is.
Agree with you that it can't go beyond that and into June or it will effect our plans. I imagine if they can't decide on a canditate or get who they want then sticking with Ange is the alternative. Going for someone like Frank, Iraola or silva would be huge gamble now with CL. They could find themselves out of their depth!
Look he would deserve a few more games, the issue is that the season is over.
Doesnt make sense to continue with him. He could leave on a high but this all up to Levy.
Doesnt make sense to continue with him. He could leave on a high but this all up to Levy.
And then in season 4 it will turn out that season 3 was a dream.
I think most fans are in the middle and don't have a big preference either way. They can appreciate that this season was mostly unacceptable but he did win us a trophy after a long wait. I think majority of match going fans don't usually take extreme sides on these things and are quite reactionary.
Online is very different. People post their views and then usually stick to them regardless of new evidence. So you often create an us against them narrative. Oddly enough, most of our big social media posters and twitter accounts are overly positive on Ange and want him to stay. While the consensus on here is usually overly negative on Ange and can often result to immature name calling.
But they are both extremes. Lets say 10% who really want him to stay and maybe 10% who really want him gone. The other 80% might have a slight preference either way but they will back whatever decision is made and move on.
Yeah, apparantly if you weren't in with the 15k in the south cheering for Ange after the 4-1 loss you are a virgin... and if you were backing Ange to win the Europa and beyond you had a low IQ...
Real talk though, there are prominent social media influencers who wanted Ange out in the past weeks and months regardless, and by the way they also had season tickets, and they also celebrated in Bilbao, so it is hard to tell if there is a difference on social media.
There were boos for Levy in the stadium and the majority of fans online have wanted him gone for years so again where is the massive divide. I think it is more about when and how to express dissent than the underlying dissent being there.
Point being I don't think it matters if you are stuck in a basement or going to a game, I think all types of fans are still split on Ange. The majority want/wanted him gone, or did at some point, but a significant minority are undecided or want him to stay and that indecision only increased after the final. Even fans who wanted him gone before the final hypocritically celebrated.
But I never believe the fans online or in person are right about anything, and I think they all have similar opinions. Levy appointed Poch with only 5% of the fan vote and that one was pretty good.
Most fans know nothing and are reactionary so it is not good for a CEO to just follow them over following a proven player recruitment strategist.
It would be better for everyone if Ange left rather than be pushed, everyone involved saves face .
Ange leaves as a winner and Levy can get a replacement
Ange leaves as a winner and Levy can get a replacement
Agree on al your points and yes there is a big correlation between match going fans and online. I just think online can create a false narrative sometimes.
I don't agree with too much fan power either. I think Man United is suffering because they've spent the last 10 years trying to please their fans by making short term signings. Falcao, Di Maria, Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Varane, Ronaldo, Casemiro, De ligt, Ugarte were all signings driven by the fans. The Ronaldo one in particular which actually destroyed the rebuild Ole had started. Sometimes the unpopular decision is the best long term decision for the club.
That's what it's all about.
Look man, you're preaching to the choir - online is a complete echo chamber and, this forum especially, not to be taken as any real pulse for the average fan.
I guess my point is that the silence from Levy etc is definitely due to the win and the feel good factor around this club at the moment, despite the league form but i don't think it is an indication of which way he is going to go.
We are in a Shrangedingers Box situation right now where he simultaneously both in charge and not in charge next season and i honestly don't know a single person who would put money on calling it either way
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I wonder if he really was told that. I think it was more that he knew his one chance of retaining his job was winning Europa and that was what was necessary. It wasn't an illogical choice on his part.