Management Ange Postecoglou

[CJJ]

Is the complete divide in fanbase not evidence enough that he's not the right guy? We should all be peak serotonin levels after winning the Europa, but we're (seemingly) arguing over whether or not finishing in 17th, 2 seasons in, is enough to keep a guy in his job.

Last time I was on here (before the last week) finishing 6th made the likes of Tim Sherwood a useless fraud

 

[Harrier]

Again totally irrelevant to what we've been debating as I actually agree with you here!

But try not to sneakily move the goalposts, you're talking about in reference to what happened after the first 10 last season, not his overall time as manager, don't worry I see you

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‘Moving the goalposts’?!



I suggest you reread my posts as the whole argument was that the 5th placed finish was heavily influenced by the first 10 games results and was not indicative of Ange’s ability to manage at this level, and hence some posters constant trotting out of the 5th place as some sort of endorsement was completely disingenuous!

 

[HyNdZee]

Goldstein on TalkSport just mentioned to a Villa fan that when they won the European Cup they finished bottom half of the league and lost 15 games that season.

The debate was whether we had a better season than Villa or not. History probably proves that we did.

Robbie Keane was also on TalkSport saying his two kids are Spurs fans and he didn't really care about the league form.

In general, I think most pros and ex Spurs players back the manager more than the average social media influencer.

With that in mind, and a week after our last defeat, I have calmed down a bit with some perspective and I think I am ready to go again next season.

 

[FightingIllini]

Last time I was on here (before the last week) finishing 6th made the likes of Tim Sherwood a useless fraud

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Tim Sherwood being a cheerful bloke willing to give some youngsters a chance made him suitable for his moment and brought a spell of decent form.

But the balance of his managerial career, and what little of it there was despite his best efforts, shows clearly who he is.

 

[SpaggyBoy]

I think half the problem for me is that we have been so utterly, galactically, mind-meltingly shit all season. I honestly gave us no chance going into the final because I've seen us get spanked every fucking week all season. So when we did win, it came as a complete shock. But for me, the fact that it was such a shock is in itself part of the problem.

So yeah... Ange out...

 

[Harrier]

Sir, I salute your indefatigability but you may as well be trying to argue with a brick wall.

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You’d have to question what takes precedence, the belief in his own argument or whether it’s the kicks from being a WUM!

I can certainly see why the troll moniker gets bandied about in his direction!

 

[CJJ]

Tim Sherwood being a cheerful bloke willing to give some youngsters a chance made him suitable for his moment and brought a spell of decent form.

But the balance of his managerial career, and what little of it there was despite his best efforts, shows clearly who he is.

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It wasn't really a glowing reference for Tim (who, aside from coming across like a daytime television presenter on a property programme, seems to have been unfairly judged at the time). It was more of a disbelief at how content some have become with finishing a good 10 places below what we used to think of as a crisis

 

[Shadydan]

‘Moving the goalposts’?!



I suggest you reread my posts as the whole argument was that the 5th placed finish was heavily influenced by the first 10 games results and was not indicative of Ange’s ability to manage at this level, and hence some posters constant trotting out of the 5th place as some sort of endorsement was completely disingenuous! My opinion or yours of the reasons behind the post first 10 game drop off is irrelevant to the above statement!

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Actually this is where the debate started:

There are a lot of decent managers that we can appoint like Xavi, Iraola, Frank etc. at least until Poch comes back after the WC if it all goes tits up.

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Out of curiosity, why do you think Xavi, Irala, Frank would be decent?

Iraola and Frank have NEVER managed a team in Europe and have 1 cup between them (Greek). Neither have a win % above 40% and have never coached high performing teams.

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Harry7 hasn't said anything here about how Ange finishing 5th is indicative of his ability to manage at this level - you made that up.

And then he said this:

Effective football? Effective at what? Finishing mid table?

You seem to be judging them on what they might do. Not what they have actually done.

Ange has finished 5th in EPL. Has won Europe, and has won at every club and level in the game.

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This was the post you responded to by stating:

He finished 5th due to the opening run of 10 games.

Once the other managers sussed out how to beat us the form fell off a cliff.

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Which suggests you moved the goalposts from the original argument, I was just merely responding in kind to your categorically incorrect and foolish statement, that's all.

 

[Raf]

The truth about Frank is that he actually hasn't improved Brentford at all in the last two years, despite retaining a lot of the key parts of the team from their big breakout and spending a ton of money on new additions that Frank hasn't integrated or exploited super well.

Perfectly good coach, but a real superstar might well have kicked on to even higher heights with that group.

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They had lost Toney who scored 20 in the league a couple seasons ago and have one of the smallest budgets in the league.

What exactly are you expecting him to do?

 

[latman]

Can't believe some people think he'll stay lol.

We finished 17th ffs lol. Winning the EL was great as we've finally won a cup.

The road to doing so was hardly a mammoth task though, where you'd give a little lattitude to the horrendous league performance

Engage your fucking brains, he's getting sacked and it's a the right decision.

 

[Tottenham Massive]

Shadydan + Harrier the last half dozen pages

Who would have thought? Lol

 

[FightingIllini]

I think half the problem for me is that we have been so utterly, galactically, mind-meltingly shit all season. I honestly gave us no chance going into the final because I've seen us get spanked every fucking week all season. So when we did win, it came as a complete shock.

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We all kinda believe we'd have been played off the park over two legs by Lazio don't we?

I guess the question is, suppose we hadn't and we'd done another Frankfurt on our way to beating United. Would that change anyone's opinion?

It wasn't really a glowing reference for Tim (who, aside from coming across like a daytime television presenter on a property programme, seems to have been unfairly judged at the time). It was more of a disbelief at how content some have become with finishing a good 10 places below what we used to think of as a crisis

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No one is content with 17th, not even close, that's a silly thing to say.

But the other thing to note is that the league is a LOT stronger than it was in 2013-14.

Post-Fergie, terminal decline Wenger, pre-Pep, pre-Klopp, pre-Saudis, real dross at the bottom like there used to be, the pressing revolution still not arrived, that was really a nadir of the league's quality before the PL's huge TV money advantage really started to show.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Sacking Ange and flip flopping into a new direction gives them the perfect excuse to not invest like a club serious about competing for the PL and CL.

Perpetual rebuilds suit the ENIC scam much more than actually winning things.

 

[CJJ]

No one is content with 17th, not even close, that's a silly thing to say.

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Umm... the amount of "ange in" sentiments say otherwise

But the other thing to note is that the league is a LOT stronger than it was in 2013-14.

Post-Fergie, terminal decline Wenger, pre-Pep, pre-Klopp, pre-Saudis, real dross at the bottom like there used to be, the pressing revolution still not arrived, that was really a nadir of the league's quality before the PL's huge TV money advantage really started to show.

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You only have to look at the clubs above us to know that's not even close to the reason.

We're not talking about an 8th or 9th placed finish.

 

[yes]

I wish Levy would hurry the fuck up and announce something either way. Fuck all to talk about.

 

[Shadydan]

Umm... the amount of "ange in" sentiments say otherwise

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Who is content with being in 17th, show me one person who is happy to finish in that position, someone, anyone?

 

[Shadydan]

I wish Levy would hurry the fuck up and announce something either way. Fuck all to talk about.

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Everyone has gone on their holibobs, I suggest we probably do the same or take a break or something

 

[Harrier]

Harry7 hasn't said anything here about how Ange finishing 5th is indicative of his ability to manage at this level - you made that up.

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Would would you say is the point of the quotation ‘Ange has finished 5th in EPL. Has won Europe, and has won at every club and level in the game.’ if it’s not to infer his ability to manage at this level??!!

Is English your first language as you seem to have difficulty in understanding its nuances?!

 

[1882]

Is the complete divide in fanbase not evidence enough that he's not the right guy? We should all be peak serotonin levels after winning the Europa, but we're (seemingly) arguing over whether or not finishing in 17th, 2 seasons in, is enough to keep a guy in his job.

Last time I was on here (before the last week) finishing 6th made the likes of Tim Sherwood a useless fraud

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I think half the problem for me is that we have been so utterly, galactically, mind-meltingly shit all season. I honestly gave us no chance going into the final because I've seen us get spanked every fucking week all season. So when we did win, it came as a complete shock. But for me, the fact that it was such a shock is in itself part of the problem.

So yeah... Ange out...

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If Ange was given the pre-season remit:
Just win a trophy... Win a trophy FFS!
...oh, and get us into the CL...

MOST amongst us would suggest that winning the League Cup and finishing 5th (y'know, like Newcastle did) would constitute a great season...
As many pundits are doing when referring to the job Eddie Howe did there.

But consider this: Newcastle won the League Cup but DIDN'T finish 5th, therefore not qualifying for the CL ... a good season, put the trophy hoodoo to bed,, but that's it, that trophy doesn't bring a CL place. So not great, but it'll do.

OR they lost the League Cup final to Liverpool, so the wait for a trophy goes on... BUT they finished in the CL places, so at least have that as their consolation. A fairly good season, all things considered.

Spurs and Newcastle have had remarkably similar seasons...
We've BOTH achieved a trophy, AND finished with a CL spot next season!

We just did BOTH with just ONE trophy, and rested up in the league because it wasn't necessary to finish any higher.

Whether you like it or not... or like HIM or not, Ange has played the system and won!

 

[Shadydan]

Would would you say is the point of the quotation ‘Ange has finished 5th in EPL. Has won Europe, and has won at every club and level in the game.’ if it’s not to infer his ability to manage at this level??!!

Is English your first language as you seem to have difficulty in understanding its nuances?!

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lol nuances

When the fucking conversation is about about hiring managers, mid table managers at that and Ange is being used as a comparison to said managers then what fucking nuance are you seeing? lmao. Look it aint my fault if misunderstood the point being made and you got an erection over a debate which even then you're in the wrong about anyway.

At this point you just need to stop replying with nonsense and quit whilst you're ahead if I were you.