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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Super. We have a guy who’s glammed onto Levy like a succubus and despite having a decent eye for a player has never ever shown any talent for putting together a well-balanced team or squad. Juve got worse and worse when Marotta left and he was put in charge. And we’ve been a mess for years.

A guy whose PR far outweighs his track record.
Tottenham Hotspurs sure has a shit show front office upper management and team manager. Shame the fans are Relegated to expect so little from such a Large organization
 
New manager bounce as well as opposing coaches and players weren’t used to Angeball yet.

Once his tactics had been sussed out (after the first 10 games), results and performances have been, generally poor.

There are other factors as well. After the ten games the injuries started to mount.

I also remember some of our players showcasing the worst of their coach-killer talents with missing goals my mother could tap in and others gifting goals her mother could save.
 
effective at finishing 17th
throwing away 4th rather than finishing 5th
fair play he won the Europa playing park the bus against some pretty ordinary/shite opposition - Ange deserves plaudits for that.

Why do you think the league form will be any better than this season, or the injury crisis we had this season will be any better? I don't think keeping him will end in anything other than Ange being sacked in October but, I can see why Levy would keep him.
As you know with our esteemed chairman, Ange will be given Children and the odd journeyman to bolster the squad when we need decent experienced players to get us up the table.
I'll happy wager that we will be in the title race next season
 
After the first 8 games last season we had 20 pts and were top of the league, the next 30 games collected 46 pts, this season we collected 38 pts. So after those first eight or so games in 2023, we have been getting progressively worse in the PL.

If that trend continues we'll have even less points next season. it's worrying, unless Postecoglou is going to bin his gung ho game plan that has been clearly worked out by other PL teams, we're in trouble.
The win % with our best players is over 70%. The system works.

However, they go to shit when injuries happen and inexperienced players are expected to step up.

Royal and Grey should never have been playing CB. Reggie and Spence aren't good enough backups for Udogie and Porro. Bergvall did step up, but also made a number of costly mistakes. Odobert, Tel and Moore not ready from Premier League at this level.
 
I'll happy wager that we will be in the title race next season

I guess that depends on your personal definition of title race. For instance Ange’s first season plenty on here said we were in a title race. Were you in that crowd?

We finished 22 points off the champions that season……….


For me the title race is the last 8 games.
Until then you’re jostling for position.

And even then after 30 games you are second or third and 9 points off the leaders you’re more in a chase than a race. Within 3 points you’re in a race.


And I’d happily wager Ange won’t even be our manager by the time we get to the 30 game mark.

So put in writing your definition of title race contenders and then let’s set the terms of our wager young Harry.
 
There are other factors as well. After the ten games the injuries started to mount.

I also remember some of our players showcasing the worst of their coach-killer talents with missing goals my mother could tap in and others gifting goals her mother could save.

Yes, I agree that injuries were also a big factor but some of those injuries were incurred during our training sessions, and it kept on incurring until towards the end of this last season.

I just wonder why training methods couldn’t have changed to avoid / reduce the number of injuries incurred during training. I believe it’s because of his stubbornness and inflexibility. I also think that he isn’t a great coach at this level.
 
Well, in the 2nd leg we had to give a debut to Danso and Tel, who hadn't even trained with the squad yet.

Porro wasn't fit to start, so we had to play 18 year old Grey at right back; a position he had never played - next to a CB making his debut.

We were missing Solanke, and Richarlison was only fit enough for 45 mins.

Liverpool had an extra days reset before the game.

Bissouma forgot how to play football.
Starting XI: Kinsky, Gray, Danso, Davies, Spence, Bentancur, Bissouma, Sarr, Kulusevski, Richarlison, Son (c).

Same midfield as started final. Tel was on the bench as was Porro. Only 2 changes from previous game v Brentford where we won. Everyone was banging on about kulu at the time being great. Richi the saviour for our Europa league final games. Da so has done well since joining. So enough decent players there to at least keep it tight and push them back. We were timid and pathetic. Gawd knows he sent them out but I think this was long before he abandoned his principles completely.
 
No-one before in in FOUR decades was able to do what he did- so explain why they didn't they all stroll it in?

This is the weakest player roster since Poch left. Its worse than the squad Postecoglou took to fifth. Better teams- and as he said better-credentialled managers- failed.

His league form is abysmal, but no-one can take away his Europa Cup managers medal.
This is his squad he has spent nearly £400M. Got rid of players like PEH who he didn’t want, discarded Spence and sent on loan all our academy players except Moore. Who he has treated badly. All the while bringing in other youngsters same age as our own and giving them minutes. If the squad that got 5th was better than the one now how comes people say he came into a shit show in 23.
 
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