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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
And the previous trophy winner before them sits with them at the bottom with Venables winning 7 of his first 33.
To be fair, Venables did inherit a huge mess when he took over. The 86/87 team was completely obliterated in the summer of 87:

- Glenn Hoddle left to join Monaco
- Richard Gough left to join Rangers
- Ray Clemence had to retire through injury
- Chris Waddle was out for several months
- Ossie Ardiles was 35 and injury prone
- Clive Allen's goals dried up when there was no service for him
- huge media circus over David Pleat's private life

The 87/88 playing squad was full of has-beens, injury prone players and players that just weren't good enough. We were also playing with two back-up keepers with neither one good enough for a regular first team place which IMO is a proven recipe for disaster (see Leicester last season). The goalkeeper situation was not resolved until January 1989.

I can't honestly blame Venables for taking a bit more time to get a run of form together after everything he had to deal with.
 
The cult thing I find genuinely interesting. Some intriguing parallels with Emilio Gentile’s work on political religion. The wisdom of the leader cannot be questioned and we must all blindly follow.
Was it really cult like though?!

I think the fanbase just breathed a massive collective sigh of relief to have exciting football back after dinoball, and have a manager in position who wanted to be here.

I grant you the song was a touch OTT/cringe after a while, but a lot of the ‘AngeBall’ hype was media generated.

If you call a large swathe of the fanbase saying he needs time and not descending into hysteria after a bad patch, cult like, then guilty as charged! 😁
 
Agreed.

Twitter especially seems to give a large number of looney tunes a platform.
Completely agree.

I actually lean towards giving Ange more time despite my scepticism.

1. I don't see the point in sacking him now.
2. Gmspurs Gmspurs and others have said 'hire and fire' has done nothing for us, I agree.
3. There's no one obvious to take over
4. 'Win now' with two toxic dinosaurs didn't work for us.

I guess my fear - I repeat - is can Ange learn and adapt?
 
Yes. Dad birthday cards with Ange's face on it, fans on Twitter saying they would give body parts if he got ill, expressions of undying love, etc. Obviously a lot in jest but even so.

That's not to say that most aren't somewhere sensible in between two extremes.

I started speaking with an Australian accent and only eat Vegemite and Lamingtons washed down with a tinnie.

Not cultish behaviour at all.
 
So do you think the players are playing to the best of their ability?

No but there are many reasons for that-Vic, VdV, Udogie are not experienced at this level. Neither Maddison nor Bentacour have regained their pre-injury form. Sarr has not been the same after the Afrian Cup. Kulu, Johnson, Werner Son and Richarlson are inconsistent.

Spurs are not playing Angeball as I know it, bar some glimpses of it every now and then. I don't know why that is.
 
No but there are many reasons for that-Vic, VdV, Udogie are not experienced at this level. Neither Maddison nor Bentacour have regained their pre-injury form. Sarr has not been the same after the Afrian Cup. Kulu, Johnson, Werner Son and Richarlson are inconsistent.

Spurs are not playing Angeball as I know it, bar some glimpses of it every now and then. I don't know why that is.
And how do we know that Eze or whoever we get in the summer are going to play it any better than the present bunch?

What I think the reason is we don't have the players, they aren't good enough to play that way, and that applies to most of the other teams in the PL too.

If we had players like Gazza, Klinsman, Ginola, Waddle Modric, Bale et al then yes but I can't see us acquiring such players of that ilk. Especially on bulk.
 
Ok if you keep changing managers and the outcome is the same then whose fault is it?

The concern is the team not improving under Postecoglou as the season has gone on. That's on him and makes him a risk going forward.

On the other hand this player list has a ceiling of top 5-8 with any any manager you get in.
What if a manager has a ceiling?

We change managers and players regularly and the result is always the same.
 
'Lost the dressing room' always gets used as an easy cliche but this might be the silliest way of using it I've ever seen. You're looking at football completely linear, In terms of genuinely bad performances this year we've probably had:
- Chelsea (A)
- Newcastle (A)
- Fulham (A)
- Wolves (H)
- Wolves (A)
- Brighton (A)

6 games all year that had no redeeming qualities, we smashed up a high flying Villa 4-0 only 6 weeks ago. Do you really think that's what a team where the manager has 'lost the dressing room' looks like? We finished 8th last year and lost our best ever player on the eve of the season, what were you expecting? I understand our blistering start raised everyone's expectations but why are we punishing the manager/club for starting a season well? Go back to the threads at the start of the year and look what people wanted from this season, literally all of them will say 'play good football and show signs of improvement and I'll be happy'. We've far exceeded that, why have the goalposts moved? I hate how reactionary our online fanbase is, it's embarrassing.

We ‘smashed up a high flying Villa’ with ten men for a long period and scored two late goals and usually been shite since
 
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