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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
One of the best teams for 90% of the season?

Dude...


This alone is more than 10% of the season. And we're fucking bottom.

We're 11th since the Chelsea game and are literally below mid table form for the majority of the season.

In what fantasy universe are you living in right now?

Rock solid all year... WE HAVE SIX CLEAN SHEETS! LMAO


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Which is pretty much true based on stats winning the ball back high up the pitch for 90% of the season
 
His attacking system will not work unless we have an entirely new front line.

Son is well past it, Richarlison, mid table and has never scored more than 15 goals in all 7 of his Premier League seasons, Johnson, quite frankly, is fucking terrible, Kulusevski is slow, indecisive, has no right foot and can't shoot and Werner is Werner. You can get away with it in lesser leagues, but not here. The standard is too high. The fact that we lost our "once in a generation talent" striker in Kane and failed to even attempt to replace him is a fucking disgrace.

Those are the recruitment issues that need to be addressed. There's a load of tactical and coaching aspects that need resolving too.

He needs to bring in a defensive/set piece coach as a matter of urgency. Defensively, we look like a group of Year 8s with a Geography teacher as coach. There's no structure, no plan. A new coach needs to come in and sort this cluster fuck out. It is beyond belief that we've brought a manager in who can't do this himself.

He also needs to replace Mason as the "attacking coach" and bring someone in to help him drill the players properly. The most important part of Ange's style of play is in the final third and we're relying on a group of shit players and Ryan Mason as coach to execute it against the best defences in world football. His use of inverted wingers congest the middle of the pitch. This makes life hard for the central midfield as there's less room to operate due to the amount of bodies in that area of the pitch on both sides. That means that your midfield, fullbacks and front three need to be incredibly well drilled and talented to operate within the final third effectively. As of right now, no one has any fucking idea how to break down defences and deal with the lack of space.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's sacked. It's going to cost at least £200m net to turn us into the side that he wants and the players required probably wouldn't even come to us given how much of a banter club we have turned into. But this is ENIC we're talking about. If it's a choice between backing a manager in the transfer market or sacking him and bringing in someone with lower demands. We all know what Levy is going to do.

Agreed, he issued his own p45 when he challenged Levy to buy him better players.
 
His attacking system will not work unless we have an entirely new front line.

Son is well past it, Richarlison, mid table and has never scored more than 15 goals in all 7 of his Premier League seasons, Johnson, quite frankly, is fucking terrible, Kulusevski is slow, indecisive, has no right foot and can't shoot and Werner is Werner. You can get away with it in lesser leagues, but not here. The standard is too high. The fact that we lost our "once in a generation talent" striker in Kane and failed to even attempt to replace him is a fucking disgrace.

Those are the recruitment issues that need to be addressed. There's a load of tactical and coaching aspects that need resolving too.

He needs to bring in a defensive/set piece coach as a matter of urgency. Defensively, we look like a group of Year 8s with a Geography teacher as coach. There's no structure, no plan. A new coach needs to come in and sort this cluster fuck out. It is beyond belief that we've brought a manager in who can't do this himself.

He also needs to replace Mason as the "attacking coach" and bring someone in to help him drill the players properly. The most important part of Ange's style of play is in the final third and we're relying on a group of shit players and Ryan Mason as coach to execute it against the best defences in world football. His use of inverted wingers congest the middle of the pitch. This makes life hard for the central midfield as there's less room to operate due to the amount of bodies in that area of the pitch on both sides. That means that your midfield, fullbacks and front three need to be incredibly well drilled and talented to operate within the final third effectively. As of right now, no one has any fucking idea how to break down defences and deal with the lack of space.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's sacked. It's going to cost at least £200m net to turn us into the side that he wants and the players required probably wouldn't even come to us given how much of a banter club we have turned into. But this is ENIC we're talking about. If it's a choice between backing a manager in the transfer market or sacking him and bringing in someone with lower demands. We all know what Levy is going to do.
The problem with sacking him after the rebuild is --..he brings in a whole raft of other players that is suited to his style of play - like BJ & Werner - supposedly. Then it becomes hard to get rid of those players when another manager comes in with a totally different playbook.

I would agree he might get the flick i.e. they are planning a rebuild without him.
 
But we were 4 down and Liverpool weren't as bothered about scoring. It's meaningless playing well at 4 down

they were periods like that when we played Brighton, Wolves and Fulham.

Like before - once we collapsed - we become rudderless for massive span of time during the match. We have been down 2-zip 3 zip 4 zip with no resistance. I dont think we have played like that in decades. Surely -you might lose a game here & there 3-2 1-0 or 2-1 but (this season) every time we lose - we collapsed by HT.
 
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Getting sick of saying it but one more time for the back…

Stop comparing Ange to Klopp and Arteta! Klopp is legit one of the best managers in the world and came as a highly decorated manager who broke Bayern’s seemingly unassailable Bundesliga dominance.

If you want to make comparisons look at Poch or AVB, both of who also had to work under Daniel Levy…
 
with this guy you have to believe his style is the right way as he won't change
that means we need 22 players that can play his style, how many do we have now ?
for me he was the wrong man to start with & will alway be the wrong man even if we win something or go very close
A manager who says set pieces are not important= needs sacking
a manager who doesn't look at videos of last few seasons and see who plays well in what position (eg Son is not a CF unless he is played balls erly over the top)
A manager who doesn't change his formation or tactics depending on who you are playing ( that to me shows limited ability to coach)
 
Every big club does this. But the main difference with us, is we hold onto these dead end players for faaar too long! We need to be much more ruthless with who comes and goes
Davies has been here ten years.

Ten years!!!

Someone should have worked out he wasn't good enough long ago.

Same with other wasters like Los Celso - he should have been moved on as soon as it became abundantly clear he was a fair weather player who just did the bare minimum.
 
If I was Levy right now I'd be using the last 3 games of this season to decide what to do.

If we don't finish 5th I reckon he gets rid. And I think he'd be justified. It could be a disaster backing this guy only for him to just get sacked by October anyway.
How is Levy justified in sacking any of his managers? He charges fans title winning prices, pays players mid-table wages, and thinks he has a right to sack any manager out of the CL places before the end of the season. Conte was right about it being a miracle when he got us top 4.
 
The problem with sacking him after the rebuild is --..he brings in a whole raft of other players that is suited to his style of play - like BJ & Werner - supposedly. Then it becomes hard to get rid of those players when another manager comes in with a totally different playbook.

I would agree he might get the flick i.e. they are planning a rebuild without him.

Exactly. Hes going to sell some good players this summer if he gets his way and push us down the gung ho attacking road. When he eventually gets replaced due to crap results someone is going to be left with a mess to clean up.

He has to go.
 
Getting sick of saying it but one more time for the back…

Stop comparing Ange to Klopp and Arteta! Klopp is legit one of the best managers in the world and came as a highly decorated manager who broke Bayern’s seemingly unassailable Bundesliga dominance.

If you want to make comparisons look at Poch or AVB, both of who also had to work under Daniel Levy…

Its the equivalent of saying VVD cost 75m therefore Maguire is worth 80m
 
You can't just give someone a season. We could be down by Christmas.
I would not have sacked Pochettino whilst he was still in the Champions League and outside the relegation places. I don't think Leicester were right to sack Ranieri either. Owners rarely give managers the chance to recover from selling their best players. I think a smart owner does give a manager a season as it holds the owner accountable.
 
Getting sick of saying it but one more time for the back…

Stop comparing Ange to Klopp and Arteta! Klopp is legit one of the best managers in the world and came as a highly decorated manager who broke Bayern’s seemingly unassailable Bundesliga dominance.

If you want to make comparisons look at Poch or AVB, both of who also had to work under Daniel Levy…

I don’t have an issue with Ange being given more time but these folks are throwing this comparison around as though it’s a given that Ange will replicate their success. Besides Klopp’s background as you’ve shared, Arteta had the benefit of experience under Pep. Additionally, it remains to be seen if Ange will be given the transfer market backing those 2 got, and if the players we bring in hit the mark or turn out duds.

Looking specifically at Ange, which is what matters and not some superficial comparison, he needs to sort out the set pieces, figure out a way to tighten up the team defence and bring in players that effectively support his style of play (proper backup for Porro and Udogie as a case in point).
 
I just wish it was possible to see progress, and to see patterns in the way the team plays. After game 10 Ange has been found out.

I also wish he could have given youth more shots during the injury period and Dragusin after he joined.

I think we should give him more time, but the lack of ability to break down defences, to change and to defend set pieces is scary.

If we lose to Burnley and Sheffield United I probably want him replaced. But I wouldn't be too sad if he was fired today or given another year.
 
I don't see us losing to Burnley & Sheff U
see them as odd goal wins but even that should ring bells, look at the wins we have had over the cannon fodder,
we need better wingers, king of 6yd box, a good creater, backups for FB's how much will this cost ?
and that is just so we can play Ange's one and only style, that really worries me
 
Can't believe so many are calling for the P45 already after some of the football we've seen this season, especially after the last few years of watching absolute dross. He clearly has the ability to inspire the players but unfortunately too many of them aren't good enough or don't fit the system and they've obviously lost some confidence recently.

The one concern for me is the lack of flexibility. The insistence to stick with 2 inverted wingers when it so clearly isn't working, especially on the right. Kulu is driving me nuts with the constant checking back and recycling.

But to be fair to Ange he needs more quality to work with up top. Son has always been a bit limited when he doesn't have space to run into. Is Richarlison good enough? Perhaps could work in the right system but needs clinical players right and left like firmino had at Liverpool. Kulu isn't going to work on right. Johnson looks like has something but not sure he's the calibre of player we should be content to be starting every week. Werner shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11.

Midfield is full of players who are almost good enough.

We are miles off having the quality we had under prime poch or even rednapp.

Also think we need an upgrade on vicario. Admittedly he's been excellent as a shot stopper but he will be forever targeted at set pieces now. It makes the players nervous and it's clearly too late to coach this into him. Even lloris made me less nervous until near the end anyway.
 
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