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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
AberdeenYid said:
Not sure Rice is the best in the world at his position
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What is his position now, box to box? If so its arguable. He's definitely in contention.

He can run all day, physically match any midfielder, score goals, assist goals, win the ball back, carry the ball and his passing range is excellent. His only weakness is really his not being that press resistant but it isn't much of an issue at 6.
 
AberdeenYid said:
He was what they needed, yes. Havertz doesn’t belong in the conversation, unless the conversation is about who they massively overpaid for.

But even if Rice is that player, by your own admission, he’s not the best in the world. My initial response was regarding you saying “Both Woolwich and Liverpool went out and bought the very best players in the world for their key positions”. They didn’t. Even Liverpool’s best recent signings, Alisson and VVD, this place would have been on fire if we’d signed a goalkeeper with one decent top level season for £70m and a centre half with two seasons at Southampton, having previously played in shitty wee Scotland, for even more money.

World class / best in the world signings rarely happen and agreed, it’s a table we don’t eat at. But to say we can’t, don’t or won’t compete at the level Woolwich and Liverpool do isn’t true. Some players will join them, some will join us, but we are all aiming at the same level of player, with the very, very rare exception.
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Disagree. Woolwich and Liverpool showed ambition to complete their team with key signings, they identified players who they felt would help them win the league and signed them.

Woolwich fell just short last season and went out and signed Rice for 100 million, that is ambition. And he has been absolutely brilliant for them, he is a throwback to proper old school central midfielder who drives them on, brilliant mentality and scores and assists, can even take a corner too.

Would we ever do that under Levy? No we won't. We will instead sign three players for 35 million but that won't have nearly the same impact.

I don't think you need to spend for the sake of it, it's about bringing in the right player, but if we identified Rice as the player to sign to win the league, Levy wouldn't do it, Woolwich's owners did. That is the difference in ambition which saddens me.
 
Richard Arlison said:
These bookmarks are going to be glorious mate. I cba to save them but you already know there defo is posters on here petty enough to remind you of these next season ahem, cough Shadydan Shadydan cough cough

Digging Organized Crime GIF by Law & Order
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If he turns this around, I'll leave the forum.
 
An idiot who needs to learn to stfu instead of loving his voice so much.
 
Skippa18 said:
Why do we just isolate the first 10 games.

If we spilt all our fixtures straight down the middle.

We had 3 more wins in our first 19 fixtures compared to our last 19 fixtures in all comps.

Not exactly ground breakingly different is it
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Because since the first 10 games we've taken what amounts to a 55 point season worth over the subsequent 34 games.
Those 10 were an absolute anomaly. We had a largely new squad and nobody had played against us or seen what we would do every week.

Now they have, they all know how to stop it and it's actually quite easy.

Even IN those first 10 games we had to seriously labour to wins against 9 man Liverpool and an appalling Sheff Utd.
We've been barely any better than we were under AVB. Loads of possession, very little cross creativity, no plan to recover the ball, no clue how to defend either set pieces OR counter attacks.
We've gotten worse and worse all season and now we're at the crescendo of it, where players stop doing what the coach wants, everyone hates eachother and the coach ends up sacked.
 
Aphex said:
Disagree. Woolwich and Liverpool showed ambition to complete their team with key signings, they identified players who they felt would help them win the league and signed them.

Woolwich fell just short last season and went out and signed Rice for 100 million, that is ambition. And he has been absolutely brilliant for them, he is a throwback to proper old school central midfielder who drives them on, brilliant mentality and scores and assists, can even take a corner too.

Would we ever do that under Levy? No we won't. We will instead sign three players for 35 million but that won't have nearly the same impact.

I don't think you need to spend for the sake of it, it's about bringing in the right player, but if we identified Rice as the player to sign to win the league, Levy wouldn't do it, Woolwich's owners did. That is the difference in ambition which saddens me.
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Woolwich barely made the CL in the last decade it took them time, 2 years ago they were clambering for Lego head to be sacked, but the board kept their head and are paying the dividends now. Our fanbase is starting to sound like Chelski and the Spanners wanting managers sacked without even a year in the job, Anges signings have been a success, it is the rubbish he has been left with that is letting us down as they have with previous managers
 
Jimmy G said:
Woolwich barely made the CL in the last decade it took them time, 2 years ago they were clambering for Lego head to be sacked, but the board kept their head and are paying the dividends now. Our fanbase is starting to sound like Chelski and the Spanners wanting managers sacked without even a year in the job, Anges signings have been a success, it is the rubbish he has been left with that is letting us down as they have with previous managers
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He was worth backing. He slowly be surely improved them. They also backed him with top class players. Not bargain bin alternatives.

Our guy is taking us backwards, rapidly.
 
AberdeenYid said:
He was what they needed, yes. Havertz doesn’t belong in the conversation, unless the conversation is about who they massively overpaid for.

But even if Rice is that player, by your own admission, he’s not the best in the world. My initial response was regarding you saying “Both Woolwich and Liverpool went out and bought the very best players in the world for their key positions”. They didn’t. Even Liverpool’s best recent signings, Alisson and VVD, this place would have been on fire if we’d signed a goalkeeper with one decent top level season for £70m and a centre half with two seasons at Southampton, having previously played in shitty wee Scotland, for even more money.

World class / best in the world signings rarely happen and agreed, it’s a table we don’t eat at. But to say we can’t, don’t or won’t compete at the level Woolwich and Liverpool do isn’t true. Some players will join them, some will join us, but we are all aiming at the same level of player, with the very, very rare exception.
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Ok, let me rephrase.

I meant the best for them, as opposed to best in the world. That luxury only really belongs to one team - Real Madrid.

My point is that we will not buy the best possible player for us in any given position, aged between 26-29, if the valuation is north of, say, £50 million. We will remain opportunistic (nothing especially wrong with that) with the likes of Maddison et al. This summer I expect we will go after someone like Morgan Gibbs-White / Toney, depending on wage demands.

And I do think that's a level below Woolwich / Dippers. We're just not going to shell out for a single player like Rice or Darwin Nunez. Never going to happen.

Our business model is to get European football.
 
Deuterz said:
What is his position now, box to box? If so its arguable. He's definitely in contention.

He can run all day, physically match any midfielder, score goals, assist goals, win the ball back, carry the ball and his passing range is excellent. His only weakness is really his not being that press resistant but it isn't much of an issue at 6.
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He’s pretty close. I’ve said he’s a very good player. But he wasn’t “the best player in the world in his position” when they signed him. But he appears to have made a huge difference.
 
Jimmy G said:
Woolwich barely made the CL in the last decade it took them time, 2 years ago they were clambering for Lego head to be sacked, but the board kept their head and are paying the dividends now. Our fanbase is starting to sound like Chelski and the Spanners wanting managers sacked without even a year in the job, Anges signings have been a success, it is the rubbish he has been left with that is letting us down as they have with previous managers
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You think BJ is a good signing?
 
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Matt1882 said:
He was worth backing. He slowly be surely improved them. They also backed him with top class players. Not bargain bin alternatives.

Our guy is taking us backwards, rapidly.
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Ah ok so his two 8th place finishes and finishing behind Contes Spurs would be ok for Ange, but 8th last season and Ange getting 5th in his first season is going backwards and of course VDV, Vicario and Maddison are shit low class signings, Rice was signed in his 5th season and others like Saliba & Gabriel were relative unknowns when signed.
 
Aphex said:
Disagree. Woolwich and Liverpool showed ambition to complete their team with key signings, they identified players who they felt would help them win the league and signed them.

Woolwich fell just short last season and went out and signed Rice for 100 million, that is ambition. And he has been absolutely brilliant for them, he is a throwback to proper old school central midfielder who drives them on, brilliant mentality and scores and assists, can even take a corner too.

Would we ever do that under Levy? No we won't. We will instead sign three players for 35 million but that won't have nearly the same impact.

I don't think you need to spend for the sake of it, it's about bringing in the right player, but if we identified Rice as the player to sign to win the league, Levy wouldn't do it, Woolwich's owners did. That is the difference in ambition which saddens me.
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I just find this a really strange argument. It generally coincides with “ENIC and Levy don’t care about winning”. Another I can’t ever get on board with.

We had Lloris in goal, which wasn’t working, so signed Vic. We needed a strong centre half and a quick one too. Romero and VDV. Needed a creative midfielder to replace Dembele and signed Tanguy (doesn’t always work out). You could strongly argue we didn’t replace Kane as we obviously didn’t, but did Ange want a direct replacement? Fuck knows.

Otherwise “showing ambition to complete their team with key signings” is what every single club does.
Cranston said:
Ok, let me rephrase.

I meant the best for them, as opposed to best in the world. That luxury only really belongs to one team - Real Madrid.

My point is that we will not buy the best possible player for us in any given position, aged between 26-29, if the valuation is north of, say, £50 million. We will remain opportunistic (nothing especially wrong with that) with the likes of Maddison et al. This summer I expect we will go after someone like Morgan Gibbs-White / Toney, depending on wage demands.

And I do think that's a level below Woolwich / Dippers. We're just not going to shell out for a single player like Rice or Darwin Nunez. Never going to happen.

Our business model is to get European football.
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Don’t agree, even with your rephrase. But not going to bore you or everyone else by going round in circles.
 
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