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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
10 wins - 4 draws - 11 losses since early November (After Chelsea) is pretty abysmal.. don't you think?
No I'm really enjoying it

I've only been supporting the club for 50+ years so I haven't managed to hit the level where I want everyone sacked when things aren't Real Madrid standard every week.

A lot of those defeats happened during periods where we were missing key players, some of whom haven't come back at the same level of contribution as they were offering prior to the injury.

Our team - across all positions is not to the same standard as City, the goons, Liverpool or in reality even the chavs. The losses to Fulham and Brighton type teams are the ones that really concern me, as they were winnable games, as we proved with Villa (away.)

The biggest issue is the loss of Kane, we can't kid ourselves, he's left a massive gulf in the quality of the team and the potency of our attack - to the point whereby we are now committed to virtually walking the ball into the goal. That commitment leaves gaps and we are now pushing teams like Liverpool into playing on the defensive and scoring loads of goals through breakaways.

We have a new manager learning the ropes in a higher standard of league to his experience to date, but still on par and exceeding trophy magnets like Conte and Mourinho, but most importantly - playing football that we can be reasonably proud of, instead of emulating Stoke or West Brom style teams of dogged defence and two banks of 5.

Until ENIC stop trying to balance the books (that stadium ain't free) and pay their investors - and prioritise the team over the company, this is the future we have, so we need to unearth another Kane, or get a few more Van De Vens in midfield and attack.

We need to be REALISTIC, we are not a top 3 - possibly not even a top 4 team. Not until we improve the first X1 and retain enough quality in the replacements.
 
Both sad& amusing.
But true, nonetheless
Every win is treated with glory and every defeat has to have an inquest since the season began. We have so many morons that get too high and too low rather than look at the bigger picture.

I’m really not happy at how it’s going just now because I hate when Tottenham lose but I can also see that over the course of the season we will likely have accumulated 66 points whether we have been good,bad or indifferent. That’s there to be improved on but it’s a good start for Ange’s first season. It’s not brilliant but this season was always about implementing something and finding out who is capable of playing in it and what we need going forward.

I can bet behind closed doors the manager is letting these players know in no uncertain terms that some can’t handle the demands he’s putting on them which he has to do. He’ll weed them out.
 
Every win is treated with glory and every defeat has to have an inquest since the season began. We have so many morons that get too high and too low rather than look at the bigger picture.

I’m really not happy at how it’s going just now because I hate when Tottenham lose but I can also see that over the course of the season we will likely have accumulated 66 points whether we have been good,bad or indifferent. That’s there to be improved on but it’s a good start for Ange’s first season. It’s not brilliant but this season was always about implementing something and finding out who is capable of playing in it and what we need going forward.

I can bet behind closed doors the manager is letting these players know in no uncertain terms that some can’t handle the demands he’s putting on them which he has to do. He’ll weed them out.
Exactly.
I still say, the positive start made it worse, in the way peoples expectations were higher.
Whether you are pro Ange, or anti Ange, you cant judge him on this season alone.
See where we are next season.
 
Exactly.
I still say, the positive start made it worse, in the way peoples expectations were higher.
Whether you are pro Ange, or anti Ange, you cant judge him on this season alone.
See where we are next season.
Totally agree. If we are in this position and it’s been similar next season then of course questions will be getting asked and I’m pretty sure Ange realises this. If he doesn’t see big improvement next season he’ll accept what’s coming to him. He isn’t a fool and know he needs to produce the goods.

The all important thing here is if the club will back him financially to get the players we need. If they don’t we’ll be in the exact same position in 3 years time starting the cycle again. Fuck that,just back the guy and have a go at it.

I’ll be honest I’ve never liked a manager of this club as much as I’ve liked Ange. I really want him to succeed and I think he will if backed.
 
The way I am choosing to view this is that Ange knows who the main culprits are now and historically he is pretty ruthless in culling those who don't fit his system or have the required mentality for it.

My main fear is Ange not being given the players he needs or being forced to keep hold of overpaid cloggers as Levy can't get a profit on them.
 
Where the hell have you got those stats from?
They're probability estimates, not stats, although they are derived from analysis of statistics.

What was the % that Palace would beat United 4-0 last night?
About 1%, based on form (which is not taking into account United's injury list). So the 4-0 result was a (pleasant) surprise.

Meaningless gambling derived numbers.
Gambling is when you put something (typically money) at risk, based on your estimation of the odds compared to someone else's estimation. I haven't done that, so no gambling involved in deriving those numbers... although if you do want to place a wager on Spurs losing all three remaining games, I'll happily take that bet.
 
The way I am choosing to view this is that Ange knows who the main culprits are now and historically he is pretty ruthless in culling those who don't fit his system or have the required mentality for it.

My main fear is Ange not being given the players he needs or being forced to keep hold of overpaid cloggers as Levy can't get a profit on them.
Ange acquired Johnson and Werner and they don't fit the system. So how do we know other players that he will ask for in the summer will fit. the system? Our defenders seem to fit the system the best and we're shipping goals.

We don't seem to be any better now than the end of last season under Stellini and then Mason.
 
I've watched the games and I understand the concerns. However, I've been following Ange since his Brisbane Roar days. This is part of the process. Tottenham will come good.
This is fucking hilarious.

He's managed in leagues where the level of coaches he's up against isn't even close to those in the PL.

Celtic won the league twice with Ronny fucking Delia.
Ronny fucking Delia!
 
This is fucking hilarious.

He's managed in leagues where the level of coaches he's up against isn't even close to those in the PL.

Celtic won the league twice with Ronny fucking Delia.
Ronny fucking Delia!
Forget Delia, Neil Lennon won multiple titles.

Espn has him as one of footballs most successful managers!
 
To make this system work it's going to take a huge net spend.
The FourFourTwo video was really interesting. It made me think though the system just isn’t going to work regardless of better players.

Would performance improve with these ‘better players’? Sure. Would it improve enough to be winning the league or cups? League, no. Cups, maybe.

Having one way of doing things is never going to cut it in this league, especially with the naturally gifted managers supported by a lot of data analysis.
 
We need to start being serious and stop using clubs who back their managers for comparison.
Honestly guys. It's just downright silly

Not watched it but it wasn't long ago that channel and many others were praising his revolutionary tactics...

In the premier league Ange has more points from the same number of games as Arteta and Klopp.

It’s far from perfect but it’s also been way more promising than just 10 games.
That’s just overly simplified negative narrative spin.

Clearly it's fallen off badly at the end of the season but I just find it bizarre that anyone thinks they know for certain that we can't build on the promise and results and playing style of the first half of the year after a reset in summer.

We can't keep sacking managers at the first sign of trouble. He gets at least another full year unless we're in relegation trouble. Surely that's obvious?

Every win is treated with glory and every defeat has to have an inquest since the season began. We have so many morons that get too high and too low rather than look at the bigger picture.

I’m really not happy at how it’s going just now because I hate when Tottenham lose but I can also see that over the course of the season we will likely have accumulated 66 points whether we have been good,bad or indifferent. That’s there to be improved on but it’s a good start for Ange’s first season. It’s not brilliant but this season was always about implementing something and finding out who is capable of playing in it and what we need going forward.

I can bet behind closed doors the manager is letting these players know in no uncertain terms that some can’t handle the demands he’s putting on them which he has to do. He’ll weed them out.
Yes, Captain Queeg probably is telling them he knows who ate the strawberries (obscure movie reference).
 
The FourFourTwo video was really interesting. It made me think though the system just isn’t going to work regardless of better players.

Would performance improve with these ‘better players’? Sure. Would it improve enough to be winning the league or cups? League, no. Cups, maybe.

Having one way of doing things is never going to cut it in this league, especially with the naturally gifted managers supported by a lot of data analysis.
Sure, if you gave Postecoglou Man City's players he'd get something like Pep's result. But he won't be getting that quality of player anytime soon. Spurs can turn over their roster to get any manager their hand picked players but if they are doing it from the same budget there's no guarantee the results will be different. Nobody can seriously think a Premier League team can sell off half its players. For one thing everyone you're trying to sell to knows you're desperate to move players and everyone you buy from knows the same thing. Was it too much to ask that Spurs hire a manager who could actually work with the players we had (which is a good young core) instead of going on and on and on and on about his magic system?
 
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The FourFourTwo video was really interesting. It made me think though the system just isn’t going to work regardless of better players.

Would performance improve with these ‘better players’? Sure. Would it improve enough to be winning the league or cups? League, no. Cups, maybe.

Having one way of doing things is never going to cut it in this league, especially with the naturally gifted managers supported by a lot of data analysis.
I have no faith such a 1 dimensional "plan" could ever succeed in such a competitive league.
Ignore City at the top, outside of that, everyone seems to take points from everyone at some point. AndI don't think any of them are so 1 dimensional as we are.
 
This is fucking hilarious.

He's managed in leagues where the level of coaches he's up against isn't even close to those in the PL.

Celtic won the league twice with Ronny fucking Delia.
Ronny fucking Delia!
He's also managed in the premier league and his team is currently 5th. We have scored goals mostly from his ideas and tactical intuition. Obviously it comes at a cost..... Now he needs to adapt for next season.

After losing our best best player. Who we have relied on for the last 5 years.

We have also just had our worst run under probably 4 of our most toughest fixtures in a row.

We have only won 3 games at Stamford bridge and Anfield combined in the Prem....3 out of like 80 or whatever it is had them back to back.

Under Conte we got battered in the European conference league.
 
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He's also managed in the premier league and his team is currently 5th. We have scored goals mostly from his ideas and tactical intuition. Obviously it comes at a cost..... Now he needs to adapt for next season.

After losing our best best. Who we have relied on for the last 5 years.

We have also just had our worst run under probably 4 of our most toughest fixtures in a row.

We have only won 3 games at Stamford bridge and Anfield combined in the Prem....3 out of like 80 or whatever it is had them back to back.


Under Conte we got battered in the European conference league.

This has really been understated. Apart from the scum game they were all away too. If we hadn't been so soft in that game against Woolwich and got a point then I think we would have all been much more relaxed.

If he can't get us wins over Burnley and Sheffield United, even though they wont be easy games then questions will have to be asked further. I'm not talking about good performances, I am not worried about that in those two games, I just want 6 points.
 
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