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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I call BS.

The fact that there has been more injuries this season.

Then the fact that Richarlison and Bentancur's injuries were from last season.

Pape and Biss got injured/ got sick at the Afcon.

Maddison was the most fouled player in the PL.

Solomon and Perisic tore their ACL and ICL in training.

These are just normal business but we do not have enough Forwards where we can keep up a high press easily for 90 minutes.

I'm not sure how anyone could watch that Chelsea game with our players flying into last ditch-tackles and red cards and not conclude that our style of football directly leads to more injuries.

Let's look at the other top teams:

Controlled football: City, Woolwich. Barely any injuries.

Chaotic football: Spurs, Liverpool, United, Newcastle. Constant injury crises. And the other teams at least had the excuse they were playing in Europe this year.

Or you think it's just coincidence that Woolwich have played Gabriel and Saliba every minute but United are down to their 20th choice centre back pairing?
 
Nah mate - youre entire rant is based on hyperbole as usual and you are choosing to take some of the things as he said out of context to make a point that frankly doesn't exist.

If you can find me a quote to backup anything you are saying then fine - but i can find you plenty that counter your claims about what he has said and what he cares about.

"There’s no other reason I do what I do. I want to bring success to this football club and play in a certain way. That never changes - I’m uncompromising in that. Success, for me, is winning things.

"But it’s not a desperation around just winning something, because I just don’t think that gets you a sustainable opportunity to be successful. The foundation is just to play the game a certain way, which I believe brings success but also excites the punters."

They’ve just got pictures of Bill Nicholson and people who have actually achieved. That’s where I want to get us. The funny thing is if you win trophies, you tend to have bragging rights as well. I just want to make sure we stay clearly disciplined and focused. It would be easy for me to say that getting one over your rivals is most important. You could do that and not win anything and I would feel great about myself and maybe the fans feel good about me, but we can’t be successful if that’s our goal. Success to me is winning trophies and until we do that, we have just got to make sure we stay laser-focused on what we want to achieve."

"I’m here because I want to create a club that has the opportunity to win things on a yearly basis,”

“I don’t see fourth as the prize. I don’t want to finish fourth if we haven’t grown and developed as a team. Part of the narrative is to push you in these kinds of positions where you think that fourth is some kind of achievement that gives you something for next year. Fourth would be great if I feel like we’re growing as a team, and we’re creating something that is going to bring us success next year. But fourth is not our goal... If we finish fifth, and if I think we’ve got a team to challenge next year, then I won’t be disappointed."
Problem is he ain't winning and they don't look focused. As we progressed through the season we got worse and worse.....That is on Ange and no one else. So if he has trouble controlling the locker rooms mentality that is on him. Not us, not Levy, not players. Its Ange.

After going 11-7-12 and telling us we should win the game where we would help our rivals win the title is absurd.
 
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What have you done to force the hand of the owners to change the fortunes of the club or for them to leave the club?
There's absolutely nothing I can do :roflmao:

Other than make a personal decision to relinquish my membership, which I'd loyally kept since moving location making it unfeasible to attend more than a handful of games each season.

Although, like many others, I'm still going to continue to call them out on this and other platforms just as you're going to continue putting in 10 x the time and effort supporting them, defending them and apologising for them 🤷‍♂️
 
I appreciate your respectful tone, but I find that absolutely outrageous.

I wished my team to win all the times HE didn't care about it, allowing us to get battered by not making rudimentary adjustments to our set-piece defending.

He told everyone he didn't care and to piss of and leave him alone.

I'm not having this guy bowl into my club and play me for a cunt, wanting to gaslight and conduct everyone around his whims:

'maybe I'll just leave the schoolboy marking on set-pieces and not compact defend in a mid-block; or maybe I'll just choose to do all that and fix other parts which were failing, causing us to keep losing, in the one game that provides our arch rival and fierce historical competitor a title which will propel them even more years ahead of us, a situation which I am directly responsible for, as we only had to draw with them AT HOME to stop them'.

The pristine fact is he allowed a rot to set in by wilful, open negligence, causing us to LOSE game after game, then sanctimoniously shits on the fans for not wanting to WIN.

Patently absurd.

Majority of fans have been super generous, gracious and supportive to Ange; backing him throughout his arse -dropping slump and infantile tactical approach.

He's self-centred and fucking ungrateful and I can fucking tell you I am still furious with this and I will NOT be played as a cunt to sate someone's ego.

Listen, if you wanna fall for it and pretend that the vast majority of us fans who wanted to ensure - in a game which was one-in-a-million(!)... exceptional circumstances - that the scum, who have been well on the rise, do not gain the key to the very top tier and leave us even further behind, making it more difficult to win anything, are to be blamed, then fill your boots.

It's thoroughly perverse that there's a minority who are buying into this narrative Ange is seeding here.

The media already loves to shit on us and treat us like reek on a rack and he's sat there post-match, in a toddlers huff and given them more fuel to do it with.

Fucking fraudulent.

This fanbase has been wanting nothing but trophies forever; it's not US that have been the fucking problem, that would be BALDCUNT!

We've been begging that bastard to deliver trophies, and have been fully behind THE CLUB, consistently and loyally, even though he's failed miserably in doing so.

We've been emotionally abused and our love of the club has been exploited since he's been here and now we have to have a johnny-come-lately bowl in here - not even remotely interested in discovering, exploring and understanding the heart and soul of the fans - to pile in on top of it.

Disgusting.

THE FANS have not been the fucking problem - apart from the few who want to have that bald mthrfkr remain here to maintain mediocrity - and no cunt on this planet is going to gaslight me that we are.

Ange, put up or shut the fuck up and fuck off.

Enough talking.

DO IT.

And don't you dare try and use us as a buffer for any future failure.

Scumbag move.

Why I respect Conte - at least he came directly at the source!

Like a fucking MAN.

I wasn’t with you at the start, but was by the end!

Tomorrow’s press conference will be an interesting tone I feel. I think he will row back from some of his comments.
 
Exactly. What a shock, a club that is one of europes biggest and has a trophy winning history, has a fan base that demands success.

It’s not us fans that are the issue. It’s the owners, managers and players that need to step up and deliver. If not, piss off somewhere else and have an easy life.

As a fan base I think we are actually more tolerant and patient than most other clubs our size.

As Kane said, losing two games in a row at spurs was not the end of the world.

That comment alone shows the mentality of the club from owners to players. But not us supporters because losing 2 in a row does fucking matter to me.

I’ve said it a million times. They’re all far too comfortable. The players spoiled by the training ground not fostering determination and the owner sitting in the stadium regarding his prize possession (which since moving us into hasn’t done much to push on further).
 
Did they poll fans and get 80% in favour of that?
Probably not.
Do I even care what other fans think?
Definitely not.
I only care about what we do. I don't give a flying fuck what a pirate looking cunt on AFTV does or thinks or says.
no but thats the point. other fans would feel the same, thats football. nothing to do about us or them...its about football fans in general!

if most football fans wanted to win in our position the other night then football wouldnt be what it is. all these sports fan followers wouldnt even be that interested! they are interested because of the raw passion from fans that are willing to lose if it hurts their rivals so much more!

can only imagine how electric the atmosphere would be at games with only these self righteous knobs who dont care about Woolwich winning the league.....such raw passion..
 
There's absolutely nothing I can do :roflmao:

Other than make a personal decision to relinquish my membership, which I'd loyally kept since moving location making it unfeasible to attend more than a handful of games each season.

Although, like many others, I'm still going to continue to call them out on this and other platforms just as you're going to continue putting in 10 x the time and effort supporting them, defending them and apologising for them 🤷‍♂️

Cool so online protesting not actual protesting then :thumbup:

Ask a Bayern fan or a team of a fan what they would do if their club ever went through a barren run of trophies or if the team lose a load of matches consecutively or the board not spend money adequately to strengthen the team?

Because I will tell you now calling out the board behind their computer screen every day of their life knowing that it's not making a difference isn't the answer.

If anyone points fingers at the club lacking any kind of mentality then the fans 100% deserve the same tag as well because we generally accept it, the two things are mutually exclusive.
 
I'm not sure how anyone could watch that Chelsea game with our players flying into last ditch-tackles and red cards and not conclude that our style of football directly leads to more injuries.

Let's look at the other top teams:

Controlled football: City, Woolwich. Barely any injuries.

Chaotic football: Spurs, Liverpool, United, Newcastle. Constant injury crises. And the other teams at least had the excuse they were playing in Europe this year.

Or you think it's just coincidence that Woolwich have played Gabriel and Saliba every minute but United are down to their 20th choice centre back pairing?

Interesting observation, do you have anything to quantify this showing the difference between teams that play with control as opposed to teams who don't, stats or something?
 
I don't even know what that means.

Re. staff, I can't even trust what Ange is saying.

I just don't trust him, now.

I think what he implied about the fans is that egregious.

Left me very wary of him.

It's up to him to regain my trust.

And that is coming from someone who has been rabidly defending him the last few weeks, when people wanted him sacked, imploring they give him time.

We're not going to agree on this issue.
I made the assumption last night that given our perverse wishes as fans and the cause of tribalism, that Ange's comments when he references "inside" were him talking about staff at the Club. At the time I gave relatable examples like Milsey, Dukes the Kit Man, groundstaff, Coytey etc etc.. If the majority of Spurs fans (like us) were okay with dropping points because it fucked Woolwich, it absolutely stands to reason staff at the Club who support Spurs would also be thinking exactly the same. (Over the years I've known many people who have worked there in a variety of different roles, they are no different to you or me, they support the Club through and through and with that comes all the bias and hatred. I currently have two mates working there now).

Now, we don't know who this person is (who knows it could even be Levy, Cullan - Levy's Son (I've stood about two rows behind him in the away end at the Emirates in the past and he was singing with all of us, every single hate-filled chant or It could have been Mason or Matt Well or Rob Birch, or it was a member of the PR team, Tracy from accounts or Dorris the tea lady). There's no point in speculating because it doesn't specifically matter, I guess 50% of the neatly 500 employees are Spurs supporters. Given this, you can only imagine the vibe at the training ground, I'd guess it was relaxed and mocking, no different to how it was in this place leading up to the game (we are all Spurs fans and it appeared we all were pretty much on the same page heading into this game).

This is NOT a good vibe going into a game. It is NOT a good way to be full stop. The employees have to have the mindset of winning every game. I don't see anything wrong with adopting this mindset. I am as sure as I can be that the staff in question on reflection would also agree. It could be a pivotal moment for us, a realisation and a wake up call, a practical and living example of what is meant by winning mentality. It's a phrase banded around so loosely that I genuinely think 90% of people using it don't have a clue what it means in practical everyday term. Well here is an example of what it isn't. I think Ange could use this moment powerfully - let's see.

As for the "outside" reference, it's 100% aimed at fans. Now it is far more nuanced and complex with fans who like us (non-employees) as our actions, by and large, don't change what any manager is trying to do but it is fair to assume that a buzzing positive atmosphere is better than a negative morgue like one. It is basically the only "job" we fans have to fulfil and it's done willingly because it's fun although nowadays fans up and down the country need to be stimulated into action with some nice football or attacks, which is a fair trade-off. We all know at the stadium the other night it was more of the latter than the former, made even weirder when there was some noise it came in the form of baiting Woolwich after City scored. This is shit for Ange and the team, let's get real here and he's absolutely right to not like it. I genuinely believe we could have won if the atmosphere was buzzing and positive as I think we were the better side on the night, and maybe the fans could have moved the needle a fraction that meant we draw or won, this was the outcome Ange wanted, he's not looking at anything else other than getting a result, maybe he felt the same as me that with a positive, bouncing atmosphere that could have moved the game towards us???

(NOT THAT IS WHAT WE WANTED). Maybe Ange thinks he can change this within our fanbase (it's not just our fanbase but every fanbase) - I don't think he will, as I said if we paly this game tomorrow I'm gonna wish the exact same thing, fuck Woolwich. But this doesn't mean Ange is wrong, it just means football rivalry is mad. I'm very comfortable with what he said, to the point that I think it's a positive. I certainly want to believe that regarding our Spurs fans inside the Club, this moment could be a turning point if Ange is clever enough to use it. And my gut is telling me he is just that, why? Because it would have been easier for him to say nothing post-match and move on to the next game. The atmosphere was such that he could have easily done this because we fans were accepting of the result because 1) we played well 2) we fucked Woolwich!!! So to those who say he's deflecting that's bullshit to that notion, no one was mad post-match, there was literally no deflection needed unless of course they've been lying all this time and wanted us to spank City and wanted Woolwich to win the league. hhhmmmm....

If Liverpool were top of the league right now, there would be no attention on Ange's comments, because they would all be lapping up Klopp's ring piece in adoration. But it's not Liverpool, it's City and no one gives a fuck about them, there is no engagement in writing/talking about them - so we are the topic because we are a passionate fanbase, we are a hated fanbase by other clubs, so everyone wants a say.

I'm not trying to change your mind, well maybe a bit, but I am trying to approach it from a rational perspective, when everything around it might be irrational. My words are from a positive place, as I see his words positively and more importantly I can see/hope there's an opportunity to use this internally as a major step change. As for us "outside" Qué será, será - we all love Tottenham, we all hate Woolwich, if we watch some attractive football well sing for you Ange.
 
I'm not sure how anyone could watch that Chelsea game with our players flying into last ditch-tackles and red cards and not conclude that our style of football directly leads to more injuries.

Let's look at the other top teams:

Controlled football: City, Woolwich. Barely any injuries.

Chaotic football: Spurs, Liverpool, United, Newcastle. Constant injury crises. And the other teams at least had the excuse they were playing in Europe this year.

Or you think it's just coincidence that Woolwich have played Gabriel and Saliba every minute but United are down to their 20th choice centre back pairing?

Bit of both. Woolwich make plebty of last ditch tackles. They have been wuite fortunate on the injury front.
 
I made the assumption last night that given our perverse wishes as fans and the cause of tribalism, that Ange's comments when he references "inside" were him talking about staff at the Club. At the time I gave relatable examples like Milsey, Dukes the Kit Man, groundstaff, Coytey etc etc.. If the majority of Spurs fans (like us) were okay with dropping points because it fucked Woolwich, it absolutely stands to reason staff at the Club who support Spurs would also be thinking exactly the same. (Over the years I've known many people who have worked there in a variety of different roles, they are no different to you or me, they support the Club through and through and with that comes all the bias and hatred. I currently have two mates working there now).

Now, we don't know who this person is (who knows it could even be Levy, Cullan - Levy's Son (I've stood about two rows behind him in the away end at the Emirates in the past and he was singing with all of us, every single hate-filled chant or It could have been Mason or Matt Well or Rob Birch, or it was a member of the PR team, Tracy from accounts or Dorris the tea lady). There's no point in speculating because it doesn't specifically matter, I guess 50% of the neatly 500 employees are Spurs supporters. Given this, you can only imagine the vibe at the training ground, I'd guess it was relaxed and mocking, no different to how it was in this place leading up to the game (we are all Spurs fans and it appeared we all were pretty much on the same page heading into this game).

This is NOT a good vibe going into a game. It is NOT a good way to be full stop. The employees have to have the mindset of winning every game. I don't see anything wrong with adopting this mindset. I am as sure as I can be that the staff in question on reflection would also agree. It could be a pivotal moment for us, a realisation and a wake up call, a practical and living example of what is meant by winning mentality. It's a phrase banded around so loosely that I genuinely think 90% of people using it don't have a clue what it means in practical everyday term. Well here is an example of what it isn't. I think Ange could use this moment powerfully - let's see.

As for the "outside" reference, it's 100% aimed at fans. Now it is far more nuanced and complex with fans who like us (non-employees) as our actions, by and large, don't change what any manager is trying to do but it is fair to assume that a buzzing positive atmosphere is better than a negative morgue like one. It is basically the only "job" we fans have to fulfil and it's done willingly because it's fun although nowadays fans up and down the country need to be stimulated into action with some nice football or attacks, which is a fair trade-off. We all know at the stadium the other night it was more of the latter than the former, made even weirder when there was some noise it came in the form of baiting Woolwich after City scored. This is shit for Ange and the team, let's get real here and he's absolutely right to not like it. I genuinely believe we could have won if the atmosphere was buzzing and positive as I think we were the better side on the night, and maybe the fans could have moved the needle a fraction that meant we draw or won, this was the outcome Ange wanted, he's not looking at anything else other than getting a result, maybe he felt the same as me that with a positive, bouncing atmosphere that could have moved the game towards us???

(NOT THAT IS WHAT WE WANTED). Maybe Ange thinks he can change this within our fanbase (it's not just our fanbase but every fanbase) - I don't think he will, as I said if we paly this game tomorrow I'm gonna wish the exact same thing, fuck Woolwich. But this doesn't mean Ange is wrong, it just means football rivalry is mad. I'm very comfortable with what he said, to the point that I think it's a positive. I certainly want to believe that regarding our Spurs fans inside the Club, this moment could be a turning point if Ange is clever enough to use it. And my gut is telling me he is just that, why? Because it would have been easier for him to say nothing post-match and move on to the next game. The atmosphere was such that he could have easily done this because we fans were accepting of the result because 1) we played well 2) we fucked Woolwich!!! So to those who say he's deflecting that's bullshit to that notion, no one was mad post-match, there was literally no deflection needed unless of course they've been lying all this time and wanted us to spank City and wanted Woolwich to win the league. hhhmmmm....

If Liverpool were top of the league right now, there would be no attention on Ange's comments, because they would all be lapping up Klopp's ring piece in adoration. But it's not Liverpool, it's City and no one gives a fuck about them, there is no engagement in writing/talking about them - so we are the topic because we are a passionate fanbase, we are a hated fanbase by other clubs, so everyone wants a say.

I'm not trying to change your mind, well maybe a bit, but I am trying to approach it from a rational perspective, when everything around it might be irrational. My words are from a positive place, as I see his words positively and more importantly I can see/hope there's an opportunity to use this internally as a major step change. As for us "outside" Qué será, será - we all love Tottenham, we all hate Woolwich, if we watch some attractive football well sing for you Ange.
No.

And I've been perfectly rational.

Agree that as long as he does the winning he boasts about, we'll all be singing his name.
 
And none of them would have the flair for writing Liew does, the ability to make articles about the sport an experience for the reader. His prose is brilliant, far and away the best of any sports journalist.
What utter tosh. "His prose is brilliant!"

Cracking Up Lol GIF by HULU


It just goes to show how very far journalistic standards have fallen, that this fella gets that kind of adulation.

Comical.
 
The sh!t that has followed Tuesday's game is down to Postecoglou.

It is his reaction that has caused the friction.

Maybe as fans/supporters, we should have been more vociferous when he was leading us into pitiful surrender in those games where we were just about 2nd best.

It's his fcuking Pandora's box moment.
 
I’ve said it a million times. They’re all far too comfortable. The players spoiled by the training ground not fostering determination and the owner sitting in the stadium regarding his prize possession (which since moving us into hasn’t done much to push on further).
You could say we've gone backwards since moving in there. Despite all the promises and rhetoric beforehand.
In fact we HAVE gone backwards. And the expectations of the fans are probably lower now than they have been in more than a decade.
 
I made the assumption last night that given our perverse wishes as fans and the cause of tribalism, that Ange's comments when he references "inside" were him talking about staff at the Club. At the time I gave relatable examples like Milsey, Dukes the Kit Man, groundstaff, Coytey etc etc.. If the majority of Spurs fans (like us) were okay with dropping points because it fucked Woolwich, it absolutely stands to reason staff at the Club who support Spurs would also be thinking exactly the same. (Over the years I've known many people who have worked there in a variety of different roles, they are no different to you or me, they support the Club through and through and with that comes all the bias and hatred. I currently have two mates working there now).

Now, we don't know who this person is (who knows it could even be Levy, Cullan - Levy's Son (I've stood about two rows behind him in the away end at the Emirates in the past and he was singing with all of us, every single hate-filled chant or It could have been Mason or Matt Well or Rob Birch, or it was a member of the PR team, Tracy from accounts or Dorris the tea lady). There's no point in speculating because it doesn't specifically matter, I guess 50% of the neatly 500 employees are Spurs supporters. Given this, you can only imagine the vibe at the training ground, I'd guess it was relaxed and mocking, no different to how it was in this place leading up to the game (we are all Spurs fans and it appeared we all were pretty much on the same page heading into this game).

This is NOT a good vibe going into a game. It is NOT a good way to be full stop. The employees have to have the mindset of winning every game. I don't see anything wrong with adopting this mindset. I am as sure as I can be that the staff in question on reflection would also agree. It could be a pivotal moment for us, a realisation and a wake up call, a practical and living example of what is meant by winning mentality. It's a phrase banded around so loosely that I genuinely think 90% of people using it don't have a clue what it means in practical everyday term. Well here is an example of what it isn't. I think Ange could use this moment powerfully - let's see.

As for the "outside" reference, it's 100% aimed at fans. Now it is far more nuanced and complex with fans who like us (non-employees) as our actions, by and large, don't change what any manager is trying to do but it is fair to assume that a buzzing positive atmosphere is better than a negative morgue like one. It is basically the only "job" we fans have to fulfil and it's done willingly because it's fun although nowadays fans up and down the country need to be stimulated into action with some nice football or attacks, which is a fair trade-off. We all know at the stadium the other night it was more of the latter than the former, made even weirder when there was some noise it came in the form of baiting Woolwich after City scored. This is shit for Ange and the team, let's get real here and he's absolutely right to not like it. I genuinely believe we could have won if the atmosphere was buzzing and positive as I think we were the better side on the night, and maybe the fans could have moved the needle a fraction that meant we draw or won, this was the outcome Ange wanted, he's not looking at anything else other than getting a result, maybe he felt the same as me that with a positive, bouncing atmosphere that could have moved the game towards us???

(NOT THAT IS WHAT WE WANTED). Maybe Ange thinks he can change this within our fanbase (it's not just our fanbase but every fanbase) - I don't think he will, as I said if we paly this game tomorrow I'm gonna wish the exact same thing, fuck Woolwich. But this doesn't mean Ange is wrong, it just means football rivalry is mad. I'm very comfortable with what he said, to the point that I think it's a positive. I certainly want to believe that regarding our Spurs fans inside the Club, this moment could be a turning point if Ange is clever enough to use it. And my gut is telling me he is just that, why? Because it would have been easier for him to say nothing post-match and move on to the next game. The atmosphere was such that he could have easily done this because we fans were accepting of the result because 1) we played well 2) we fucked Woolwich!!! So to those who say he's deflecting that's bullshit to that notion, no one was mad post-match, there was literally no deflection needed unless of course they've been lying all this time and wanted us to spank City and wanted Woolwich to win the league. hhhmmmm....

If Liverpool were top of the league right now, there would be no attention on Ange's comments, because they would all be lapping up Klopp's ring piece in adoration. But it's not Liverpool, it's City and no one gives a fuck about them, there is no engagement in writing/talking about them - so we are the topic because we are a passionate fanbase, we are a hated fanbase by other clubs, so everyone wants a say.

I'm not trying to change your mind, well maybe a bit, but I am trying to approach it from a rational perspective, when everything around it might be irrational. My words are from a positive place, as I see his words positively and more importantly I can see/hope there's an opportunity to use this internally as a major step change. As for us "outside" Qué será, será - we all love Tottenham, we all hate Woolwich, if we watch some attractive football well sing for you Ange.
Can somebody highlight the bullet points, please
 
There is some garbage being spouted.

Not even going to try and pick it apart.

Bring on Sunday and no doubt more drama.

Then off into the relative wilderness of neutrality for a few months of sanctuary.
 
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