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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Richard Arlison said:
Really interesting digging

Club really needs to look at why this pattern keeps repeating
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I can tell the club without being paid millions

Depth and mentality. Season starts everyone is usually fit games at this point are usually free hits so all looks good.

Winter starts and the fixtures start to pile up, and due to baldys tightness we have no depth in the squad (seriously how long have we been saying this). Form dives.

Picks back up again after Christmas when injuries come back and the fixtures list dies down.

Crunch games start such as big cup games and games against direct rivals and teams fighting for there lives. Team can't hack it buckle

End of season nothing to play for now as out of all cups and everyone basically knows where they are finishing players suddenly find form.

To fix we need proper depth and get rid of the players who have proven they can't take the pressure. It's if levy will allow the spend required for it
 
Yorkshire Yid said:
I can tell the club without being paid millions

Depth and mentality. Season starts everyone is usually fit games at this point are usually free hits so all looks good.

Winter starts and the fixtures start to pile up, and due to baldys tightness we have no depth in the squad (seriously how long have we been saying this). Form dives.

Picks back up again after Christmas when injuries come back and the fixtures list dies down.

Crunch games start such as big cup games and games against direct rivals and teams fighting for there lives. Team can't hack it buckle

End of season nothing to play for now as out of all cups and everyone basically knows where they are finishing players suddenly find form.

To fix we need proper depth and get rid of the players who have proven they can't take the pressure. It's if levy will allow the spend required for it
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It’s a pretty persuasive case.

We didn’t have depth under Poch and eventually that cost him.
 
Yorkshire Yid said:
I can tell the club without being paid millions

Depth and mentality. Season starts everyone is usually fit games at this point are usually free hits so all looks good.

Winter starts and the fixtures start to pile up, and due to baldys tightness we have no depth in the squad (seriously how long have we been saying this). Form dives.

Picks back up again after Christmas when injuries come back and the fixtures list dies down.

Crunch games start such as big cup games and games against direct rivals and teams fighting for there lives. Team can't hack it buckle

End of season nothing to play for now as out of all cups and everyone basically knows where they are finishing players suddenly find form.

To fix we need proper depth and get rid of the players who have proven they can't take the pressure. It's if levy will allow the spend required for it
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My one comment because I don't have the energy.

Ndombele and Lo Celso came at considerable cost but it's Levy's fault about their mentality and subsequent injuries? That seems entirely rational.

Oh and had Phillips turned out to be a top buy for City, that's ambition on their part but not on ours? He was sh!t but we conveniently forget. Mason Mount???

And Pepe for 75 million for Woolwich was just an experiment to prove they can spend the money? Okay right.

Some times freaky things happen. We are a freak of a club.

A portion of our failure to win trophies can be apportioned to the owners but we get to semi-finals and finals, and fall short. Lesser teams prevail. Go figure.

Postecoglou or whoever the manager need to add the value they are paid to bring. They also need backing. Nothing so far to suggest that won't happen but if we again fall short to the juggernaut of City or an Woolwich team who bought a Rolls Royce player, that's probably a bigger reason than a lack of investment... well to me it is.
 
Tottenham Sean said:
I reckon it was more than a handful.
Point is, it's being made to to be an attitude unique to Spurs fans, when it isn't.
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I think the situation was quite unique though.
How often has a team needed to win to achieve something, but had to play a team that was in competition with a rival?

Weirdly nobody seems to be talking about United getting beat by Woolwich at the weekend. Their fans, from what I gathered were pissed off at the lack of effort from their team and wanted the win. They would have helped their rivals win the league if they won, but where was the fuss over that game?
 
Klaus said:
I'm not sure how anyone could watch that Chelsea game with our players flying into last ditch-tackles and red cards and not conclude that our style of football directly leads to more injuries.

Let's look at the other top teams:

Controlled football: City, Woolwich. Barely any injuries.

Chaotic football: Spurs, Liverpool, United, Newcastle. Constant injury crises. And the other teams at least had the excuse they were playing in Europe this year.

Or you think it's just coincidence that Woolwich have played Gabriel and Saliba every minute but United are down to their 20th choice centre back pairing?
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Probably got more to do with backroom medical staff. Part of Newcastles problems this season have been players not having surgery that was recommended and then causing more damage.
We've had that sort of circus for years.
 
kingdawson said:
yep.

A fan getting ejected for saying what most feel. Even if he told him to throw the game so what? he's entitled to have that opinion and say it as we apparently live in a democracy.
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And as such, the manager is also entitled to respond to it
Cranston said:
It was a (hopefully) once in a lifetime situation. It’s irritating how pundits and journalists are wilfully ignoring this.

I don’t care what anyone says. The overwhelming majority of Chav, Woolwich, Spam fans would have wanted *exactly* the same loss, were the roles switched.

Also, I think we need to get away from this idea of needing a winner or changing the culture. It’s an almost corporate approach to sport.

We need really fucking good players.

The single thing that will determine Ange’s success at the club is how we recruit for our forward line. That’s all it is.
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Not really. Talent is wonderful, but ask anyone successful in any career, Football or otherwise, they'll tell you that mentality is key.

Case in point, NDombele is actually an extremely talented Footballer, with a couch potato mentality.

Utd were successful for decades under Ferguson, because he instilled that culture into the club. If you didn't have it, he shipped you out. You only need to look at what he squeezed out of his players in his final season, a team that had talent in it, but had players like Smalling, Cleverly, Jones and Anderson as mainstays. He augmented that with top talents that had that mentality throughout their careers, in the form of Rooney, Van Persie and Ferdinand.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we need to go out and get mentality monsters who couldn't trap a bag of cement, what I'm saying is that the mentality breeds the culture, and it's evident that our mentality errs more towards weak than it does strong.

If we are to give ourselves any sort of chance at challenging consistently, he absolutely MUST change that culture. We've already seen what talent with a weak mentality gets us.

By all means, get more talented players, but don't waste the effort on overblown ego's and mentality midgets, otherwise you're just wasting time and money.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
I stated no one other than Ramos has a worse record over 10 games, which is correct. All other managers that have had poor runs similar to this have been sacked either directly or soon after and that was my point about lack of scrutiny. I dont want him sacked but for all the bluster he needs to start winning games early next season or he'll go the same way as the names mentioned.

2 ppg would be great, its a shame we cant play relegated teams every week.
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We don't, and we're in 5th on merit.

Our record for the season is 37 played, 20 won, 8 drawn, 9 lost. Last I checked, only 3 teams get relegated, which accounts for 6 of the 20.

8 of the losses came in 2 bad spells. The first where we effectively lost 2 thirds of the squad, not just the starting 11. The second with a bad run of form. Even then, there are games like West Ham and Villa where we got absolutely skanked.

For a first season, with a 180 degree change in playing style, virtually a brand new team, with many youngsters in their first Prem season...

A disappointing end no doubt, but the league doesn't lie, you get where you get on merit.
 
Ionman34 said:
And as such, the manager is also entitled to respond to it

Not really. Talent is wonderful, but ask anyone successful in any career, Football or otherwise, they'll tell you that mentality is key.

Case in point, NDombele is actually an extremely talented Footballer, with a couch potato mentality.

Utd were successful for decades under Ferguson, because he instilled that culture into the club. If you didn't have it, he shipped you out. You only need to look at what he squeezed out of his players in his final season, a team that had talent in it, but had players like Smalling, Cleverly, Jones and Anderson as mainstays. He augmented that with top talents that had that mentality throughout their careers, in the form of Rooney, Van Persie and Ferdinand.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we need to go out and get mentality monsters who couldn't trap a bag of cement, what I'm saying is that the mentality breeds the culture, and it's evident that our mentality errs more towards weak than it does strong.

If we are to give ourselves any sort of chance at challenging consistently, he absolutely MUST change that culture. We've already seen what talent with a weak mentality gets us.

By all means, get more talented players, but don't waste the effort on overblown ego's and mentality midgets, otherwise you're just wasting time and money.
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No, sure. Of course, you can’t be a dosser.

But mentality isn’t enough at the very summit. Madrid aren’t who they are because they want it more. They have the best, most technically gifted collection of players possible. And then they add mentality on top.

I’m not under estimating effort and seriousness of intent. And every team needs work horses. But for our front line, we need gifted, skilful players that see space, can beat their defender and can cross and shoot instinctively.

Harry is one of the most gifted finishers on the planet. That goal against Palace in his last season. One touch, second touch bottom left.

That’s ability, not mentality.
 
Cranston said:
No, sure. Of course, you can’t be a dosser.

But mentality isn’t enough at the very summit. Madrid aren’t who they are because they want it more. They have the best, most technically gifted collection of players possible. And then they add mentality on top.

I’m not under estimating effort and seriousness of intent. And every team needs work horses. But for our front line, we need gifted, skilful players that see space, can beat their defender and can cross and shoot instinctively.

Harry is one of the most gifted finishers on the planet. That goal against Palace in his last season. One touch, second touch bottom left.

That’s ability, not mentality.
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It's both actually.
 
Starks said:
Judging over a certain period of games is pointless anyway. Too many mitigating circumstances.

First 10? Amazing. 26/30 points possible. The best ever start to a Premier League campaign by a new manager and by Spurs. But some will have you believe it's because he was new, an unknown quantity and no one knew what to expect. Despite the league apparently consisting of the best coaches in world football and all the technology at hand to tell them what we do.

Next 5? Not so good. 1 draw and 4 losses. But again, injury ravaged. Emerson and Davies at centre back.

The following 16 after that? Pretty good. 10 wins, 3 draws and 3 losses (1 away at Brighton when we were missing Romero, van de Ven, Maddison, Bissouma and Bentancur and has to play Davies/Royal at CB). Highlight being a destruction of Villa away from home. We mustered up just over 2 PPG during this period. About 78 points over the course of a season.

Then the last 6? Well, we all know the results. But then we were playing the two best teams in the country (Woolwich and City) and two teams in which we never win away from home (Liverpool and Chelsea).

Ultimately, he'll be judged on a 38 game season. Not 5 games here and there picked and chosen throughout a campaign. And he's on course for getting 66 points, qualifying for Europe all whilst joining the club in the midst of protests, losing his best player, an unsuitable squad and dealing with an injury crisis I've never seen at the club before and probably never will.

Next season though is the true judgement. Because now he's seen it and breathed it. He has experience to go off and build on. He knows who's capable and who isn't.
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