You know he has to do the press conferences yeah?
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Yeah, but he has delivered on it. The single biggest indicator off where a team finishes in the Premier League is its wage bill, particularly at the top of the table.
Spurs have the 7th highest wage bill, behind all of the clubs ahead of them, including, you guessed it, Aston Villa.
Could we have finished above Villa? Yeah we could and probably should have given where we were. But this notion that he hasn't delivered because of a poor end to the season against some of the top teams is nonsense. Sure, the football hasn't always been great post-Christmas, but we still won enough games to (highly likely) finish 5th.
Add to this that it's his first season, the scale of the rebuild, the complete change in direction with regards to playing style, the loss of Kane, and that he's performed better in the league than both Arteta and Klopp their first years, and it's difficult for anyone who doesn't have a weird agenda or the thinking capacity of a toddler to argue that it's not a promising start.
Don't disagree with the wage bill being an indicator, not sure how you know Villa have a higher wage bill than us seeing as no teams wage bills are public knowledge.
Same old regurgitated excuses mate to be honest for the rest of the post.
If we could have finished ahead of Villa then we should have done, especially given where we were, the fact that we didn't isn't down to anyone other than the manager.
This notion of the football being shit only past Xmas is another fallacy, we scraped past the likes of Luton & Sheff U in those mythical 10 games and needed a last minute OG to beat a Liverpool side playing with 9 men.
And as for comparing the conquerer of Australia, Japan & Scotland to Klopp, the same Klopp who won the last title (back to back as well) that wasn't Bayern's until this season (when funnily enough Kane rocked up to do his usual act), the Klopp that took Dortmund to a CL final, you must be on a wind up.
2 clean sheets since October, lower bottom half form for most of the season, not a single performance in months that can be pointed to as proof of the game being controlled from start to finish in a comfortable win, even the likes of Palace can dominate United and batter them while keeping a clean sheet, why have we not been able to since October?
Because of the scale of the rebuild, the cultists mantra to avoid the truth.
Keep humming it to yourself whilst next season is thrown away as well.
PS.
"Imagine waking up 30 years from now having still won nothing, but remembering with misty eyes that one year that you lost a match to (probably) prevent Woolwich from winning the league. Fucking yes, GET IN! "
This you, makes sense tbh
Some good points here, but I snipped a lot to leave this. The truth is, this happens to all clubs and surely all clubs who win the title. Should we have hammered these clubs? Sure. But every year the winners or front runners have these lucky outcomes and scrape out wins where they have no business doing so. It’s part of the deal.
Fair enough mate, I simply ask this of you and anyone else, how many convincing performances have we seen this season from start to finish?
Mixed case writing is for emo's and teenagers. Not sure which one you are.
I get it, your opinions are shaped by recency bias.
The fact is, most people would have taken 5th at the start of the season and in truth, we should have cemented 4th. That's how our season has panned out.
Sack him for not completely reshaping the team in 1 season smacks of too much Football Manager.
Wait, so Ange from the backwaters of Scottish football did better than two time bundesliga winner klopp in their first epl seasons?
you’re right that would be daft to compare.
Klopp finished 4th with 76 points in his first full season, (10 points behind us in the league btw, imagine that), 10 points ahead of the best this manager can do.
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Not many but how many did you expect when the team is far from the finished product..too many reasons to list as mentioned by others as to why the team is not the finished product.
On appointment Klopp also said he would deliver trophies within his first 4 years, not within his first.
Not only does the last gasp win happen, it happen to league winners and when it happens, their fans are delirious and the manager and the media praise the players for their fighting spirit and will to win. In fact doing it is lauded as a positive. No-one looks back and says "not good enough".
Reminds of Ange when he bought his Asian Cupwinners medal to his Dad: "yeah you won, but if you cut this playing out from the back shit, they wouldn't have equalized and you wouldn't have had to win it in extra time".
The appeal to authority fallacy is the logical fallacy of saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it. This authority figure could be anyone: an instructor, a politician, a well-known academic, an author, or even an individual with experience related to the claim's subject.
Plenty of us watch a ton of football. Just because you feel like making it your career doesn't automatically give your take more weight than anyone else.
Specifically regarding this Harry Brooks guy, I've seen his takes on twitter, some are good, some are shit. I definitely wouldn't put him in the group of the "best" tacticos and certainly wouldn't be quoting his tweets as if he's some sort of football authority.
Eg. just had a quick scan through his twitter and found a tweet saying Lo Celso is similar to Lamela as a player. Says it all.
Uh, source?
The latest published accounts from clubs are from the 22/23 season, and that puts our wage bill at 5th highest, ahead of Woolwich and about 120m ahead of Villa.
Everyone quoting figures based on the 23/24 season is a guess (eg, Capology). Nobody knows what clubs' wage bills are until they release their accounts.
Selling Kane will have reduced our wage bill somewhat but I'd be shocked if Villa managed to make up 120m on us in a season. Who are their high earners?
https://www.givemesport.com/premier-league-wage-bill/
| Every 2023/24 Premier League club's wage bill | ||
|---|---|---|
| Rank | Club | Annual Wage Bill |
| 1 | Manchester United | £205,756,000 |
| 2 | Manchester City | £200,668,000 |
| 3 | Woolwich | £166,036,000 |
| 4 | Chelsea | £155,324,000 |
| 5 | Liverpool | £136,240,000 |
| 6 | Tottenham Hotspur | £117,520,000 |
| 7 | Aston Villa | £117,000,000 |
| 8 | West Ham United | £95,316,000 |
| 9 | Newcastle United | £84,500,000 |
| 10 | Everton | £78,978,000 |
| 11 | Nottingham Forest | £72,050,000 |
| 12 | Crystal Palace | £69,050,000 |
| 13 | Fulham | £64,610,000 |
| 14 | Brighton | £62,400,000 |
| 15 | Wolves | £53,820,000 |
| 16 | Bournemouth | £53,794,000 |
| 17 | Brentford | £39,936,000 |
| 18 | Burnley | £38,506,000 |
| 19 | Sheffield United | £28,756,000 |
| 20 | Luton Town | £24,570,000 |
Who gives a fuck man.
You lot are so fucking unbearable, you can't wait to pick on everything just because it appeases your pathetic agenda.
This is basically the Levy thread, you guys will use and shred of evidence to confirm your bias, it's generally fucking tedious.
What happens if we win by 1 and our players miss a host of chances for example? Or what happens if we win by 3 goals but get completely dominated and score all our goals from set pieces? This is the actual problem, you don't use any context, you just react to a scoreline.
And yeah well done Newcastle for scoring loads of goals but still managed to finish behind a team who's won 1 in their last 6.
Just win the match, it's the last day of the season then we go into the Summer for God's sake.
Have a day off.
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Just having a chuckle around the narrative that Ange doesn't understand rivalry or derbies properly. South Melbourne was the club he grew up playing with. He would have been at every single one of these derbies as a kid (and played in a few as well).
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Yes but sometimes it’s even less. Brentford at home being a classic example. Really it was just 15 mins after half time. Then we went back to normal and nearly allowed them to get a draw.
Better than pleats 86-87, Harry Inter 4-0, beating dippers at a field, beating AC, poch stream rolling teams?