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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Richard Arlison said:
Conte had the squad he built fit and ready to play most of that season. Ange didn’t. Conte had Kane in his prime, Ange didn’t. Conte signed Richy for 60m, Ange didn’t.

It’s a joke the excuses people make for Conte
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How do you know Conte wanted Richarlison?
He hardly played him.

It doesn't take a genius to know he was signed in advance of Kane leaving. Never struck me as a player Conte demanded. He wanted quality wing backs to make his system work.
He had Royal and Spence on the right. Davies and Sess on the left. Not sure Perisic was up to the wing back job tbh.

Conte had Romero flanked by Dier and Sanchez most of the time. And an aisling Lloris.

Yes, Conte is a defensive coach. He had no defense though.
 
Matt1882 said:
How do you know Conte wanted Richarlison?
He hardly played him.

It doesn't take a genius to know he was signed in advance of Kane leaving. Never struck me as a player Conte demanded. He wanted quality wing backs to make his system work.
He had Royal and Spence on the right. Davies and Sess on the left. Not sure Perisic was up to the wing back job tbh.

Conte had Romero flanked by Dier and Sanchez most of the time. And an aisling Lloris.

Yes, Conte is a defensive coach. He had no defense though.
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Weak excuses
 
Richard Arlison said:
Would you accept the Liverpool performance as unlucky if the result was reversed? Was Chelsea at home unlucky?
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Whilst I personally agree that both of the scouser red cards were correct, it's a level of decisions going our way we have never seen before and im sure there was a level of unconscious bias that ensured some decisions were "balanced" over the season. The perseverance to get the winner at the end after Liverpool played a low block with 9 was admirable. However. The decision to disallow the goal was absolutely scandalous and it mires the entire thing. We will never know how much it influenced the result but it happened and leaves a huge stain on the game.

The Chelsea game differs in that whilst we can all feel that Romero's red was unfortunate, for me it was a red according to the laws of the game. And again, whilst admirable to continue having a go to get a result - and we nearly did - it was suicidal to play the high line. But the net result of the Chelsea game was just a minus 2 more in the GD for having a go. The bigger cost was injuries and suspensions.

We were lucky in the Liverpool game. We were incredibly unfortunate in the Chelsea game. Both were freak results in that regard.
 
Murphy said:
Whilst I personally agree that both of the scouser red cards were correct, it's a level of decisions going our way we have never seen before and im sure there was a level of unconscious bias that ensured some decisions were "balanced" over the season. The perseverance to get the winner at the end after Liverpool played a low block with 9 was admirable. However. The decision to disallow the goal was absolutely scandalous and it mires the entire thing. We will never know how much it influenced the result but it happened and leaves a huge stain on the game.

The Chelsea game differs in that whilst we can all feel that Romero's red was unfortunate, for me it was a red according to the laws of the game. And again, whilst admirable to continue having a go to get a result - and we nearly did - it was suicidal to play the high line. But the net result of the Chelsea game was just a minus 2 more in the GD for having a go. The bigger cost was injuries and suspensions.

We were lucky in the Liverpool game. We were incredibly unfortunate in the Chelsea game. Both were freak results in that regard.
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Incredibly unfortunate in the Chelsea game right?

In which case a totally fair assessment and I agree. Now let’s apply that to the entire season and the manager.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Incredibly unfortunate in the Chelsea game right?

In which case a totally fair assessment and I agree. Now let’s apply that to the entire season and the manager.
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I've already said on reflection it was a great season, as nobody expected 5th after losing Kane. And I'm very much hoping Ange has a great season.

But the outcome in a singular match with extreme circumstances does not justify the performances in the majority of 27 matches that came after.

Losing 5/6 games is not "unfortunate". Losing 12 games across a season is not unfortunate. In many games (not counting Chelsea) we were blown away by teams, and in multiple games we conceded first. All with the same end result - chasing the game. It wasn't admirable then, it was tactically naive when it was always the same sort of goal we conceded. You said to me just yesterday sometimes you need to grind out results, yet this isn't in Ange's managerial DNA, so it's likely to be a recurring theme.

But I'm bored of saying the same thing repeatedly. New season. Come on you spurs. Let's hope for better this year.
 
Murphy said:
I've already said on reflection it was a great season, as nobody expected 5th after losing Kane. And I'm very much hoping Ange has a great season.

But the outcome in a singular match with extreme circumstances does not justify the performances in the majority of 27 matches that came after.

Losing 5/6 games is not "unfortunate". Losing 12 games across a season is not unfortunate. In many games (not counting Chelsea) we were blown away by teams, and in multiple games we conceded first. All with the same end result - chasing the game. It wasn't admirable then, it was tactically naive when it was always the same sort of goal we conceded. You said to me just yesterday sometimes you need to grind out results, yet this isn't in Ange's managerial DNA, so it's likely to be a recurring theme.

But I'm bored of saying the same thing repeatedly. New season. Come on you spurs. Let's hope for better this year.
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So I don’t agree that grinding out results isn’t part of Ange’s DNA. I think that was a common misunderstanding and he said as much.

He regularly described games where we dominate the ball against teams sitting in as “games of attrition “ and how his game model is built to wear teams down and score late goals. That’s grinding out wins.

Those games and the times that didn’t work out for us were the games fans got upset about the most. This narrative formed that we were “easy to play against “ because sometimes teams could sit off our attackers and not get punished. That’s the area we really need to fix in the transfer market for sure. That and the depth at the back because teams like Newcastle and woolwich were also able to press our defenders when we were either missing players capable or our back 6 weren’t playing as well out from the back.

I guess my point is they are fair criticisms but they aren’t evidence of a problem with the system, they are evidence that our squad needs more players who fit the system and we need to get better at playing the system.
 
Murphy said:
The Chelsea game differs in that whilst we can all feel that Romero's red was unfortunate, for me it was a red according to the laws of the game. And again, whilst admirable to continue having a go to get a result - and we nearly did - it was suicidal to play the high line. But the net result of the Chelsea game was just a minus 2 more in the GD for having a go. The bigger cost was injuries and suspensions.

We were lucky in the Liverpool game. We were incredibly unfortunate in the Chelsea game. Both were freak results in that regard.
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These two paragraphs contradict each other. I completely agree with the first, but we were not incredibly unfortunate, far from it. We did everything to fuck ourselves over that game having started it brilliantly. We were lucky Udogie didn't get a straight red in the first half for a two footed challenge, we were lucky Romero didn't get anything for blatantly kicking out after an earlier challenge and the idiot didn't count his lucky stars, instead he doubled down and made a completely reckless challenge for the penalty (whilst I've forgiven him for that, I never for one second didn't think that was a red at the time, technicalities of him getting the ball first aside, he had zero regard for the human being's leg in front of him and the law says you should. If he was so unlucky why do I recall the fanbase being livid at him for ages afterwards)

Both reds were right and we chose to play a highline so stupid that even the game mechanics in Fifa wouldn't allow. It essentially left Micky to sprint back and forth with one on ones as if he were doing a bloody PE bleep test, so him pulling his hammy was completely self inflicted. Maddison getting injured is just about the only "unlucky" thing I can think of but I can't recall a game where at least one player from either team doesn't go off injured, this is standard procedure and doesn't require a tiny violin.

If it wasn't for Chelsea being so incredibly shit in front of goal, after allowing themselves to not be caught offside for the hundredth time (plus Vicarios heroics) I'm not exaggerating when I say it could have be a double digit scoreline.
 
Starks said:

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AI summary, not reading all that.

  • Tottenham’s Squad Needs: Ange Postecoglou, Tottenham’s manager, stressed the necessity of expanding the squad to cope with the rigorous demands of the Premier League. He pointed out that last season’s struggles highlighted the need for more depth and versatility in the team.
  • Transfer Plans: Postecoglou is actively looking to bring in new players before the transfer window closes. His focus is on securing long-term success for the club rather than opting for short-term solutions. This approach aims to build a robust squad capable of competing at the highest level consistently.
  • Lessons Learned: Reflecting on the previous season, Postecoglou emphasized the importance of having a well-rounded squad. He noted that consistency and depth are crucial for maintaining performance throughout the season, especially when dealing with injuries and fatigue.
  • Personal Journey: Postecoglou shared insights from his unique career path, including the challenges he faced early on. His experiences have shaped his coaching philosophy, emphasizing resilience, adaptability, and a long-term vision for success.
 
zin said:
AI summary, not reading all that.

  • Tottenham’s Squad Needs: Ange Postecoglou, Tottenham’s manager, stressed the necessity of expanding the squad to cope with the rigorous demands of the Premier League. He pointed out that last season’s struggles highlighted the need for more depth and versatility in the team.
  • Transfer Plans: Postecoglou is actively looking to bring in new players before the transfer window closes. His focus is on securing long-term success for the club rather than opting for short-term solutions. This approach aims to build a robust squad capable of competing at the highest level consistently.
  • Lessons Learned: Reflecting on the previous season, Postecoglou emphasized the importance of having a well-rounded squad. He noted that consistency and depth are crucial for maintaining performance throughout the season, especially when dealing with injuries and fatigue.
  • Personal Journey: Postecoglou shared insights from his unique career path, including the challenges he faced early on. His experiences have shaped his coaching philosophy, emphasizing resilience, adaptability, and a long-term vision for success.
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Ange Postecoglou, Tottenham’s manager, stressed the necessity of expanding the squad to cope with the rigorous demands of the Premier League. He pointed out that last season’s struggles highlighted the need for more depth and versatility in the team.

:ange-arms:

Ange welcomes a couple of 18 year olds to the squad in the key pre season period.

Never change Daniel. Never change
 
Starks said:

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"I don’t dismiss last year, because it could’ve gone very differently," he said. "I get that we obviously got off to a flying start and then we sort of petered out in the end, and people kind of hang on that, and we finished fifth, which is not exactly exciting, but you know, when you take over a club that's finished eighth, with big expectations and you lose a generational player on the eve of the season, and you know there’s some major squad restructuring, team restructuring.

"I mean, you just think about our transfers. If I’d got even one of them wrong, if I’d got Vicario wrong, Van de Ven wrong, Maddison at the start of the year the way he was performing. If we didn’t get the best out of Pedro [Porro] and [Cristian] Romero and [Yves] Bissouma, it could've been a very different year, and I might not even be sitting here if it had gone that way, so I’ll take great pride in that, because I thought it was important for a club like Tottenham to not go into freefall.

"Where we sit here now you say, ‘Oh, that was unlikely,’ but not necessarily. it could’ve gone very, very differently, so I love that we kind of hung tough as a club and as a group of players."

Important section that.
 
Richard Arlison said:
"I don’t dismiss last year, because it could’ve gone very differently," he said. "I get that we obviously got off to a flying start and then we sort of petered out in the end, and people kind of hang on that, and we finished fifth, which is not exactly exciting, but you know, when you take over a club that's finished eighth, with big expectations and you lose a generational player on the eve of the season, and you know there’s some major squad restructuring, team restructuring.

"I mean, you just think about our transfers. If I’d got even one of them wrong, if I’d got Vicario wrong, Van de Ven wrong, Maddison at the start of the year the way he was performing. If we didn’t get the best out of Pedro [Porro] and [Cristian] Romero and [Yves] Bissouma, it could've been a very different year, and I might not even be sitting here if it had gone that way, so I’ll take great pride in that, because I thought it was important for a club like Tottenham to not go into freefall.

"Where we sit here now you say, ‘Oh, that was unlikely,’ but not necessarily. it could’ve gone very, very differently, so I love that we kind of hung tough as a club and as a group of players."

Important section that.
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Interesting that he seems to be taking credit for the VDV, Vicario & Maddison signings but no mention of the £50m winger.
 
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