Yeah definitely. Got to move with the times.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Yeah definitely. Got to move with the times.
We ground out wins late because we went behind, repeatedly, because we don't defend at all.
I personally have no desire to watch us concede stupid goals and then have to fight against a wall of player for the rest of the match in the hope we can nick a late goal.
100% agree, but to add to that, you have to ask "why did we have to grind out this result?". Stubborn opposition is one thing and we're all guilty of forgetting that sometimes, credit is due their way, but it's another thing when it's consistently self inflicted.
Last season was by no means 2nd half FC like under Conte but there were shades of it. There were a number of times where you knew an obligatory Ange half time bollocking was coming and it became a habit of them being energetic and sometimes scoring very early in the second half.
Right, so we don’t have the type of players to play the system and the best the manager can do is shrug and continue to play the system as it is.
Right, so we don’t have the type of players to play the system and the best the manager can do is shrug and continue to play the system as it is.
Ah man not his argument again lol
Klopp and Pep played the same systems until they got their players.
You positive bro? Asked them personally and they said yes?
We all watched the games, where were you?
Ah yeah, you convinced me.
My bad for not detailing matches and getting you some evidence from 8 years ago.
Against the teams I mentioned we start games against a wall of player as you call it. It’s respect to how good the opposition think we are.
We went behind in some of those games because we take the wrong option in the final third or give it away. That’s our biggest issue.
Also,if we have to come from behind then so be it.
You have no desire to watch us go behind. That’s football. You don’t seriously think we can just cruise along winning every game by taking the lead in games. Every team also concede stupid goals. Again that’s what happens in football.
You’re not naive to think it works that way.
I was watching the Beckham documentary the other day and a team with Roberto Carlos,Zidane,Figo,Ronaldo,Beckham lost games and went behind due to stupid goals.
A team scoring on the counter by cutting you open is sometimes brilliant play and fair play to the opposition. Every single goal can be looked at as self inflicted. Sometimes you just hold your hands up and get on with it and get back in the game. We were good at that last year.
It’s not shrug and continue. He’s tried to make them better and i personally don’t think our front three are up to it. That’s when it’s clear and obvious we need upgrades. The manager has pretty much said it’s an area that needs improving.Right, so we don’t have the type of players to play the system and the best the manager can do is shrug and continue to play the system as it is.
It was a basic tactic, knowing full well we'll struggle to break them down and leave gaping holes at the back. And it'll carry on happening this season and probably get worse.
Being more likely to conceed than score from an advantageous position on the pitch is plain tactical stupidity. I'm not exaggerating when I say I feared us taking corners just as much as conceding them because of the obvious break away that teams set up for against us.
It shows just how important it is that we resolve our issues with our attack because with this system and them lot dicking about on the ball up front, they're costing us goals as much as scoring them.
Tbh this is why I don't believe in the system as a whole, it's too black and white, you either win well or you lose badly. It doesn't respect that sometimes drawing a match of football isn't so bad if circumstances on the day conspire (perfect example against Chelsea). We had the second lowest number of draws in the top 5 - second to the Scum, but more than double the number of losses and double the goals conceded. There has to be more balance next season.
I think we were onto something with VDV at LB and Romero/Drag in the middle. I think we will see more of that against the top sides.
Udogie has great qualities but he got exposed at times and our defence was often sieve-like with him and Porro playing as 10s.
After last season Ange has to realise he's not in the SPL anymore and his system needs to be tweaked.
This is it.
Lets hope Lange/Levy have something up their sleeve otherwise we'll be scrapping with Villa and United for 4th again and doing fuck all in the cups.
Also massively helps a weakness at defending corners. Again, can prob get away with that in SPL but PL sides seem to be shit hot at set playing the last few years
It's heavily linked to the fact that we have counter-attack merchants (Son, Johnson, Werner) that need space to be effective.
The opposition know that if they do just sit in these wide players (who get most of the ball in this system) will very rarely break you down.
That's not strictly true though is it? How many games did we win with late goals?
Having said that, I agree with your overall sentiment. Our overall conversion rate wasn't particularly bad at just under 10%, around 7th I think, but it was the quantity of moves breaking down in the final third that hurt us.
In preseason I commented that our final third movement looked faster and more frequent, but we still shipped goals because we lost the ball so often up front. You can excuse the Bayern game somewhat, because they were knackered, but we shipped quite a few to the K league teams, on fast breakaways, because we were losing it cheaply in the final third.
That's one of the reasons why I'd bring in Solanke and Chiesa. Both know how to keep the ball and recirculate, both are technical, quick and intelligent, and both know where the goal is.