The guy’s a billionaire. You can joke about his appearance and style but you’ve helped get him there. I know I have and do so (willingly) every season even though I can’t stand him.
So which one of us is truly laughing?
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So which one of us is truly laughing?
I'm not sure I've ever seen a more uninspiring manager. Either in a press conference or on the touchline.
There's some value in continuity even if the results aren't there. Postecoglou staying and finishing the burn in to his attacking system makes sense. But I still believe he will get results. Last season he got immediate results on the front end and slowed down the stretch. This year could well be the reverse. If you fired him you start things back up with a new manager and you have to undertake a transition that might not bring immediate results. Look at Manchester United. They hired a really respected manager to follow Ole Gunnar Skojksar and are now looking for yet another manager. Had they taken the public opinion hit and gave Skojksar more time they could well be in a better position now.
The last three easily.
I doubt Ten Hag would have been sacked if he was Spurs manager with the two cup wins.
There's a contrast certainly to after the West Ham match. I would guess he's struggling with how to build a winning mentality with such a young squad. There are times he annoys me and I wasn't sold on him when he was hired, but I believe we're seeing sparks where the system is working. That has to be turned into a steady flame. The results we want as fans could come this season. All is not lost.
It's a shame these things didn't happen in the off season. In some ways Postecoglou is a good fit for Manchester United and Ten Hag would be good for Spurs.
Be interesting to see how seriously he picks the team to try and beat City tomorrow.
Probably would. Levy cares a lot more about league results. It would have bought him time but they’re 14th, football has been crap for like two whole years, has steadily got worse as well.
Ultimately past wins won’t save anyone, probably even at Spurs where a trophy would make any coach a hero. It’ll buy time but United haven’t had any sustainable, notable improvement in a ridiculous amount of time.
Just 2 points behind us.
What had they won? This guy came highly recommended from our director of football or whatever his job title is. He’s managed international level, CL level.
Like I say. If we are not going for expensive proven winners what are we left with?
Young managers with no experience? Older managers with some experience? Gareth Southgate??
A friend of a very close friend was managing the under 13s at Leeds not so long ago. We were on holiday in Spain together talking about what opportunities might come from that. Now he’s knocking on the door of the premier league.
That’s football.
Nobody likes Ryan Mason do they. He’s laughed at on here.
Once upon a time Julian Nagelsman(?) was exactly the same type of young unknown hire. Like Kieran McKenna is now.
So I’d love to know what peoples magic formula is for finding a manager.
Ah yeah man I know, don't you worry...you, me, all of us fans, Levy is beating all of us, we're all mugs to him. His only interest is how much we can put into his pocket.
But still, fuck him. He'll never love Spurs the way we do. And the day we win another trophy, it'll be our glory way before it is his.
And...never forget they were not Levy's first choice everything he has got right was chance Van Gal his pick 180 at the last min gives the next bloke on the shortlist the job, Pochettino. Santini walks out barely able to say two words in English, Jol gets caretaker. But at least most of these people had credentials at an elite level. I am genuinely starting to wonder who wanted Ange Postecoglou and what criteria was used to make such a bonkers appointment. Where are the Celtic fans talking up the genius of Neil Lennon....
Definitely not. A third place finish in there too.
Agree, it's beyond insulting when fans start throwing blame at the fans, who in all of this are the innocent and most blameless ones. We have been more than patient. Unfortunately we have an owner and Chairman who frankly doesn't care about trophies. It's a nice to have for him, not a necessity.
We have the most unambitious owner sporting wise probably in the top half of the PL.
Mate since the stadium got built I've realised that ECL qualification IS NOT a necessity. Levy was playing 4D chess, bulldozed WHL to make us being a competitive football team LESS important.
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This is one of the best posts I have read on this matter quite frankly.
Also, I know this is irrelevant really but I don't think his hard headed personality and false bravado is doing him any favours with people who are on the fence with him.
I expect that if he led with less ego many would be a bit more forgiving towards him, instead we get soundbites that are just beyond any logic or reason and comes across as him being so far out of his depth it's almost like someone got hired from twitter to manage this football club (clearly that isn't the case but the way he speaks about these issues makes him sound like a moron quite frankly.)
He probably knows a lot more than the majority of us and you can't deny he has clearly worked hard to get to where he is but that doesn't mean he is good enough for a club in the PL, let alone one that is apparently trying to remain in the CL and win trophies (if our bullshitter of a chairman is to be believed.)
I just don't see how he has earned the right to remain here when you look at his current record, like you say, managers have been sacked for far less.
It is his fault that he acts like his shit doesn't stink though, doesn't help himself AT all.
But yes, I agree, the finger should be pointed at Levy for yet another failure of an appointment, I mean, I said this the other day about who is at fault for all of this...
"First, the owners. They've had ample opportunities to establish a winning culture, yet they continue to fall short in appointing leadership that drives consistent results. They hired the manager, and ultimately, responsibility for failure rests with them, it always should.
Second, the manager. His role is to elevate the team, crafting a unit that performs beyond individual talents. This season (and the end of last) we’ve seen very little evidence of that synergy and consistency needed to be successful.
Finally, the players. They’re the ones who execute, and if they’re not delivering where it counts—on the pitch—then that reflects a lack of accountability and cohesion at every level.
In the end, this is a collective failure. Each group has a responsibility here, but it begins at the top but since we know nothing can be done about the ownership, it falls on the manager.
Also, just to add, Ange financially HAS been backed and provided resources that should make losses to teams like Crystal Palace inexcusable. Palace, before today, sat winless in 17th place. If we're serious about progress, these kinds of slip-ups, especially given our supposed squad "superiority", shouldn’t happen.
Ange has been given a capable squad, but "Angeball" seems naive in the Premier League imo. It’s a style that may thrive in lower leagues but it lacks the pragmatism needed in this league’s unforgiving environment. He’s tasked with maximizing our talent, but right now, we’re far from that tbh and that shows in the lack of consistency, at least that's my opinion."
What amazes me is that Levy has backed this man more than any of the last two coaches combined (Nuno excluded) who are both "Serial winners" lol, boggles the mind.
The answer is simple: there's none. Managers, players...there's no sure thing. Ever. Heck, when Hazard left Chelsea for Real Madrid, he was on top of the world already and many assumed he'd get even better over there, Ballon d'Or status like, leading the White House to multi Liga and CL wins, scoring goal after goal. Well it didn't work out that way. Same with Messi, who was gonna score about 100 league goals per season in Ligue 1...he was awful, far from his rep as the undisputed goat. There's literally 1000s of examples out there. Same for transfers/hires that looked destined to fail but ended up being genius moves.
That being said, the likes of Levy get paid outrageous amounts of money to get it as spot on as possible, more often than not. Sure, Poch could've been an utter failure...nothing said he was gonna take us to 2nd in the PL and CL final. And yeah, still time for Ange to do a Sir Alex or even just an Arteta. But there are still ways to increase your chances, guys like Levy have so many people around them, access to all that data etc.
I want Ange to succeed, God knows I do cause that'd mean Spurs as a football club are winning more games than they lose, heck maybe even a trophy or two. But it was always a bloody big gamble considering his CV, age, personality, state of the club/squad etc. And as of now, it is my opinion that Levy's shat the bed.
There is no magic formula. Its mostly luck. Some managers just click and fit the club some dont. Emery for example clearly a very good manager, didnt work at Woolwich. Some are obvious, Southgate would be a disaster, Guardiola would be great but for the likes of us its just hoping you stumble on someone that clicks and avoiding the disasters which it was obvious Mourinho for example would be. Generally i think you can tell within 12 or 16 months, its about trajectory, players improving, beating the better sides occassionly and i'm just not seeing it or anything close to it.