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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
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Hi Mikel
 
what hallmarks did he have over yesterday? maddison had the game of his spurs career that set the tone. what of the goals were a product of 'angeball'? the last two are counter attacks which is the complete opposite of what its mean to be and the first 2 were moments of individual brilliance...in fact you can sort of say the 3rd was largely down to individual brilliance from kulu while also being a part counter attacking goal.
Your e actually kind of right! It's the players that play the game not the fat Aussie blagger standing on the sideline doing sweet fuck all on game day.
 
Somehow he’s got to get these players winning 4 or 5 league games in a row. Some of the players obviously think others aren’t pulling their weight every game though going by this quote from DK:


View: https://x.com/thespursexpress/status/1860733616986169801?s=61&t=lOJ_HDnbTWvSuVGs5km_Hg

See I like this and I increasingly love this lad...BUT this isn't really what happened. We were better because they are oddly perfect for us. We sit deeper, we play a two man pivot with actual legs and lungs we did not invert both Porro and Udogie... and...And here is the bit that's on Ange and on Deki to be honest about. We were aided hugely by BEN DAVIS AND RADU DRAGUSIN focusing totally for 96 mins and displaying a level of professionalism absent from any centerback pairing that featured Cuti Romero all season ( even the 0-3 win over United). So what now Ange?
 
So about 18 pages of Angebois saying "told you so"

So how about this then. You all blamed the players when we weren't good enough to beat Palace, Ipswich, Leicester etc. But they ARE good enough to beat last seasons Champions comfortably?

Both sides of this argument are as guilty as the other.
Angebois praise him when we win and tear into the players when we lose, vice versa for the doubters.

How about this for a shocking fact that needs addressing from both the players and the coach.

Wolves 2 -1 Spurs
Fulham 3 - 0 Spurs
Newcastle 2 - 1 Spurs
Brighton 3 - 2 Spurs
Spurs 1 - 2 Ipswich

Last 5 games before the international break, all losses.
In some cases some truly horrendous games.

This might be a crazy idea, but maybe it's time we bench some of the players who are not putting a shift in during the match preceding the break? The likes of Romero, Son and a few others aren't playing close to 100% in those games.

Maddison wasn't even going away on international duty and he got 4 minutes against Ipswich.

Yes the players should be motivated and give 100%, but it isn't the reality and that's where coaching comes into play.

Luckily there isn't another international break for months now so that isn't a concern.

With that in mind, I'm expecting to not see these dreadful showings for a while. And if we do, it raises more questions.

You make some good points.

There's too much sinking the boot in by the respective "sides" after each big win / disappointment. It would be nice to see that particular arms race de-escalate over time to a more constructive debate.

And our string of poor results before international breaks is a concern. If they were good performances with unlucky results then I'd be less worried but they're generally not. Newcastle maybe, and first half Brighton.

Still, this is a week for celebrating a great win and I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about forum points-scoring, our chronic PIBS, or even the fact that the City game was a lot closer than the scoreline suggests.

COYS!
 
I’m sure I also read a quote from Kulu recently about the levels in training which almost made it sound a bit like some others don’t put the effort in there and it holds us back.

There seems to be something in some players wanting it and others not being too fussed, which could explain the inconsistency if true.

Yeah I read the same. Was going to post it but couldn’t be bothered to search for the quote. Pretty sure it’s easy to work out who he is talking about.
 
See I like this and I increasingly love this lad...BUT this isn't really what happened. We were better because they are oddly perfect for us. We sit deeper, we play a two man pivot with actual legs and lungs we did not invert both Porro and Udogie... and...And here is the bit that's on Ange and on Deki to be honest about. We were aided hugely by BEN DAVIS AND RADU DRAGUSIN focusing totally for 96 mins and displaying a level of professionalism absent from any centerback pairing that featured Cuti Romero all season ( even the 0-3 win over United). So what now Ange?

I didn’t see the game, only the highlights, so can’t comment on that.
 
Yeah I read the same. Was going to post it but couldn’t be bothered to search for the quote. Pretty sure it’s easy to work out who he is talking about.
"I think there are a couple of factors and one is here inside the training ground," he says. "To be a champion, you have to be a champion every day. You have to give everything every day.

"I feel we lack a little bit of discipline in terms of that consistency. That's what is missing. The quality is there, the football is there. But you have to do it every day. You can't be happy because you win a game, two games, three games. You have to win every game.


From Dejan Kulusevski exclusive interview: Tottenham's new leader and Man City's tormentor growing up and aiming high
 
"I think there are a couple of factors and one is here inside the training ground," he says. "To be a champion, you have to be a champion every day. You have to give everything every day.

"I feel we lack a little bit of discipline in terms of that consistency. That's what is missing. The quality is there, the football is there. But you have to do it every day. You can't be happy because you win a game, two games, three games. You have to win every game.


From Dejan Kulusevski exclusive interview: Tottenham's new leader and Man City's tormentor growing up and aiming high

Those aren’t great comments are they? Good though. He learnt something from Kane. Sounds like something he would say.I’m
 
A bit late to the party, as I've not long returned from a boozy weekend in Brussels, and all I can say about our performance is wow! Ange must've torn the lads a new one in training, as I haven't seen Spurs performance like that in a while, and I was especially impressed by how much better we were in defence, even from corners. It galled me somewhat though to see a stat pop up showing how badly City have done without Rodri; "Unbelievable Geoff!" Maybe our tactics had something to do with the win?
 
Ange did something that I don’t remember another coach doing at City yesterday and I have been calling for someone to try for a few seasons. I’ve heard lots of pundits and reports call our performance “brilliant” but so far, I’ve not read anyone identify why it was brilliant, tactically, they’ve mostly just spouted the usual football geezer cliches.

Up until we took the lead, City were dominating the ball and pitch. Then we scored in the 13th minute. What normally happens then is we (or any away side at City) would normally then shell into a deep and desperate block and pray to get out our half a couple more times.

But from the 14th minute to the 53rd when we scored our 3rd, we actually had 54% of the ball, and were pressing them in middle/higher areas, it’s how we got the second goal.

I’ve given Ange stick for his selections recently, and I’m not giving him much credit for bringing in Bissouma yesterday, because I’m not sure if he would have played him if Bentancur hadn't been suspended, but bringing Maddison back and moving Sarr over to R8 (and pushing Kulusevski back up to RF) was a great call and was pivotal with us being able to actually have more possession in that period. Maddison was all over the place and constantly dropping deep and helping us play through City's press in deeper areas too (which admittedly wasn't as good as it would be with Rodri in it). For that middle chunk of game our midfield (with the right balance) was able to compete with theirs. This highlights the importance of both Bissouma and Maddison in that:




I think Ange deserves a lot of credit for the way we played yesterday from 13-60 minutes - that was as proactive as I've seen any team be (along with Klopp's best Liverpool) away at Guardiola's City and earned us 3 goals, and once 3-0 up we defended very well.

The team selections married the tactics and the resulting performance was outstanding. Certainly the best by any Spurs manager at ManC during the Guardiola era - even caveating with their current form dip.
 
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Pep didnt transform City ,middle eastern sugar daddy oil money transformed City, City and Chelsea were allowed to spend whatever they wanted unlike Newcastle who cant spend the money they have due to FFP. Pep is a front runner coach he would never ever take the spurs job, but when the playing field levels up a bit due to some injuries we see the real Pep who doesnt have the answers . City were winning titles before Pep and as long as they can continue to spend big they will win titles after pep is gone . City have an annual players wage bill of 205million and 115 breaches of FFP ,spurs have an annual players wage bill of 111 million. Anyone that thinks Ange can come in and transform decades of losing and change the loser mentality in the club and its supporters in one and a half years is DELUSIONAL.
Spurs is a long term project because we cannot spend the money city and chelsea have spent.
conte failed ,mourinho failed . in his first year with no Harry Kane he got a 5th place .
 
3 times in the last few weeks I felt we had clicked, buckle in, here we go.
Then there was Brighton, Palace and Ipswich.
Yesterday was brilliant, beat Fulham and I'm all in.
Exactly this. It’s not been an easy ride. More than bumps in the road. But when it clicks everything about it is just wonderful to watch. I like the style we try to play. I will take the odd kick in the nads. But there’s a lot of unacceptable performances alongside those like yesterday.
If there is anything wrong it’s the mind bending lack of consistency at the minute. Winning games we have no real claim to whilst pissing away games like Brighton and Ipswich. If we hit some consistency then we will be in any conversation for top 4.
Nobody goes to city and wins 4-0. No matter how much of a slump they’re in. We’ve thrashed good teams and followed it up with utter abomination type performances. It’s infuriating to know that we are just as likely to drop the ball again versus Fulham at home as we are likely to whack the scousers or the chavs.
 
If only we could play Man City every week
Ill be honest when i saw and compared the lineups before kick off i thought we were going get blown away (Davies and Draguisin at CB, full of inexperience and youth on the bench)
Factor in the feel good factor for the home side at the Etihad prior to kick off what with Pep signing a contract extension and Rodri parading his Ballon d'or trophy there was only going be 1 winner or so i thought

We hammer them 0-4 and that scoreline was totally deserved and didnt flatter us
Ange and the lads have done something no other team has done since Pep took charge we bullied them off there own patch with a very makeshift side and in doing so put an end to a 52 unbeaten game streak at the Etihad in the process against a very decent starting lineup from the Champions.

Very impressed with the likes of Davies Draguisin , Vicario, Deki,Madders,Porro and Werner (when he came on) and now we really do need to build on that and start putting a good sequence of consistent performances together
in my forty years as a fan i find more often than not we tend to put a good sequence together in and around December and January and certainly hope thats the case now starting with giving Roma a good spanking this week and focus on what should be a very realistic winnable competition this season along with the league cup.

COYS
 
Have said it before, over the course of a season goal difference rarely lies. Currently clear with the second best goal difference. Anyone want to hesitate a guess at the worst finishing spot the team with the second best goal difference has ended the season in over the last 10 years?

Yes. There’s still a fair bit of the season to go.
 
Ange did something that I don’t remember another coach doing at City yesterday and I have been calling for someone to try for a few seasons. I’ve heard lots of pundits and reports call our performance “brilliant” but so far, I’ve not read anyone identify why it was brilliant, tactically, they’ve mostly just spouted the usual football geezer cliches.

Up until we took the lead, City were dominating the ball and pitch. Then we scored in the 13th minute. What normally happens then is we (or any away side at City) would normally then shell into a deep and desperate block and pray to get out our half a couple more times.

But from the 14th minute to the 53rd when we scored our 3rd, we actually had 54% of the ball, and were pressing them in middle/higher areas, it’s how we got the second goal.

I’ve given Ange stick for his selections recently, and I’m not giving him much credit for bringing in Bissouma yesterday, because I’m not sure if he would have played him if Bentancur hadn't been suspended, but bringing Maddison back and moving Sarr over to R8 (and pushing Kulusevski back up to RF) was a great call and was pivotal with us being able to actually have more possession in that period. Maddison was all over the place and constantly dropping deep and helping us play through City's press in deeper areas too (which admittedly wasn't as good as it would be with Rodri in it). For that middle chunk of game our midfield (with the right balance) was able to compete with theirs. This highlights the importance of both Bissouma and Maddison in that:




I think Ange deserves a lot of credit for the way we played yesterday from 13-60 minutes - that was as proactive as I've seen any team be (along with Klopp's best Liverpool) away at Guardiola's City and earned us 3 goals, and once 3-0 up we defended very well.

The team selections married the tactics and the resulting performance was outstanding. Certainly the best by any Spurs manager at ManC during the Guardiola era - even caveating with their current form dip.

Absolutely no doubt that Spurs are at their best when Bissouma and Maddison are running the show. This was evident first half of last season - and the opposite was true second half of last season.

If those two return to their elite form and maintain It - combined with Kulusevski's emergence as a genuine world class talent - we'll cook.
 
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