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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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And their alleged ‘supporters’ getting quieter throughout before many of them jumped ship at 15 mins to go while our boys made noise throughout!
Still buzzing!
The mentality has never been right with this team. Ange has his work cut out for him, every time this team has threatened to go on a run and actually compete for honors, we've downed tools and acted like other teams should just roll over for us. This mentality has been in place for as long as I've followed Spurs; the only manager that came close to upending it was Poch, and that all crumbled in the end.
That's not going to happen. Postecoglou will stay with the system and we'll see by the end of the season if it worked or not. The idea that he either should be fired or he's the greatest soccer mind out there depending on whether Spurs won or lost that week wears thin. The biggest thing you can figure out from the last two weeks is that Ipswich has a nice team. What Spurs are on their way to becoming is an open question.
I think Spurs built up to that under Poch.
Jol and Harry Redknapp helped to repair the damage done during the decade of despair; 95 - 05
We expected to win every game under Poch. We lost that in the last 5 years.
We don't buy experience, we mainly buy young that's why - the way to fix is to let players grow into leaders but for that we need the manager to stick around so they can grow with him.
Absolutely we did. You just knew we were going to win. And not only that, if it was at home against a mid to lower half team you knew we would win comfortably. Invariably it was by 3 or 4 most weeks. It doesn't happen overnight, as you say the foundations had been well laid for him and we were on the right path but even then it took time. Ange has basically started from scratch. It takes time and he is only just over a year in. The level of performance we are capable of and the goal difference strongly suggest we will get there.
I wouldn't go that far! I still remember that 1-1 draw at home to West Brom when we were chasing Leicester down for the title. We were brilliant at scoring late winners under Poch. Eriksen and Kane got plenty, but the Dele Ali screamer against Crystal Palace was something else!
I've never been overly confident as a Spurs fan ever. Its usually when we start to think we are good and feel confident that we get humbled very quickly. I still remember this being the case under both Poch and Harry.
Thanks for that. But I thought the alliteration in the key sentence also deserved a mention.
My prose is almost poetry at times.
It's really very simple.
The disparity between Celtic and everyone else in Scotland is huge.
The gap between Celtic and everyone other than Rangers is wider than, IMO, Citeh and even the poorest premier league teams.
And he is not the manager of the best team in this league. He's the manager of the team with the 6th highest wage bill who aren't able to sweep up a squad that can comfortably outplay anyone.
With all due respect to Celtic, outside of the odd big game, I think they'd be mid table by the time a whole PL season was done if they played this side of the border.
That said, IMO, if Celtic ever want to grow larger and do well in Europe ever again, they could do with playing in the English leagues to grow, earn more money and bring in higher caliber players.
I don't think any of them are world class. Maddison and Bissouma both missed big chunks of last season, but when they were around I think they still played pretty well and were as consistent as anyone.
Yes/no. We probably pressed a bit better than with Johnson higher/medium but Kulusevski doesn’t track back and help his FB as much. I think the biggest benefit is Kulusevski will is much better at holding onto the ball when it does come out to him than Johnson is, meaning it’s a bit easier to hold lay down that left.
Still more play goes down our left, because Davies, Maddison and Son are more comfortable or see more ball than Dragusin, Sarr and Kulusevski respectively, but Romero coming back could help that a little on the right.
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Jol, 'Arry, and Poch were the "feel good" managers. Ramos and Conte improved it without the compassion.
What I like about Ange is after most games he eventually says some of the right things. "It was my fault", "I need to improve the consistency", etc.
By the time most managers have admitted fault or said anything the fans were thinking they have been sacked already. Jol talked a lot about consistency too.
Poch was a bit insane at times though. Sometimes we'd win a game by 4 or 5 and he'd still always say we need to improve. Ange has a similar insane expectation that is higher than the level in front of him.
Both Poch and Ange got results in games that were hard to see where the result was objectively coming from. Poch would honestly do random crazy shit like start Winks away at Madrid in a 4-4-2 and it'd work. I'd trust him with it but tbh I had no idea what the fuck he was doing when the team sheet was read out.
It looks fine after the fact but it wasn't that different to the experimental team selections Ange has tried this season which has lost him quite significant games.
But he has though imo.
The attacking rotations / inverted fullback overlaps are just that little bit smarter now so that our pants are (almost) never completely around our ankles when we lose the ball. And our transitional pressing has become more effective in buying time for the defence to get set.
That's why we've only conceded 1.08 goals per game this season, down from 1.61 last season. And only one of this season's goals was the high line getting beaten.
One thing that distorts those numbers a lot is the fact that Kulusevski didn't stay out wide as Johnson would do. I can't post a screenshot from SofaScore unfortunately but if you've got the app then take a look at our average player positions from this game, Kulusevski came off the wing so often that his average position was just 11yrds away from the centre circle just off to the right of it and inside City's half (our furthest forward player).I don't think any of them are world class. Maddison and Bissouma both missed big chunks of last season, but when they were around I think they still played pretty well and were as consistent as anyone.
Yes/no. We probably pressed a bit better than with Johnson higher/medium but Kulusevski doesn’t track back and help his FB as much. I think the biggest benefit is Kulusevski will is much better at holding onto the ball when it does come out to him than Johnson is, meaning it’s a bit easier to hold lay down that left.
Still more play goes down our left, because Davies, Maddison and Son are more comfortable or see more ball than Dragusin, Sarr and Kulusevski respectively, but Romero coming back could help that a little on the right.
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The main reason we are one side biased is us looking to overload that part of the pitch, by doing so we are drawing the oppo over too and thus huge spaces are created (in this case on the right). Yesterday our players staying on the left were Son and Solanke even showing a left bias, with Udogie and Madders a tad deeper, what is interesting also is that for this game Biss was just behind Madders (more advanced than Sarr who was on the right. Basicly there's a massive void on the right in front of Sarr and Porro, both who were looking for 3rd man runs from deep, or overlapping Kulu when his came in off his line.
His team won 3-0
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Tim Sherwood on Spurs boss Ange Postecoglou: “I’m pleased for the manager because there’s probably a 50-50 split on Tottenham fans who either want him or amazingly want him out.
“It’s incredible. Shame on you guys for wanting this guy out. This guy, for me, is a breath of fresh air and what Tottenham needed.
“He needs results like this to convince a lot of the fan base that he is the main man. Give him time, give him the money, give him a few transfer windows, he’s got a clear identity — he will win trophies at this football club but he needs to be given time to be able to do it.
“The City game is a good, good reminder for a lot of those fans who ring up these phone ins demanding the manager out and saying he’s not good enough. Believe me, he is good enough.
“He is a top drawer manager who’s got different ideas to the majority of managers in the Premier League.”
#COYS #THFC
Tim Sherwood on Spurs boss Ange Postecoglou: “I’m pleased for the manager because there’s probably a 50-50 split on Tottenham fans who either want him or amazingly want him out.
“It’s incredible. Shame on you guys for wanting this guy out. This guy, for me, is a breath of fresh air and what Tottenham needed.
“He needs results like this to convince a lot of the fan base that he is the main man. Give him time, give him the money, give him a few transfer windows, he’s got a clear identity — he will win trophies at this football club but he needs to be given time to be able to do it.
“The City game is a good, good reminder for a lot of those fans who ring up these phone ins demanding the manager out and saying he’s not good enough. Believe me, he is good enough.
“He is a top drawer manager who’s got different ideas to the majority of managers in the Premier League.”
#COYS #THFC
But they also need results in the PL. That is why you need balance of both if you're going to win anything.
For me ,whether Ange stays or goes is simple. Against City, because our first choice centrebacks were out,Ange didn’t play such a high line. We kept a clean sheet and scored 4 away goals against ,possibly the best team in Europe over the last few years. If, when out first choice centrebacks return he returns to a high line they he’s bloody stupid, not just because of the pressure it pits on our back. 4 but also because of the increased injury risk to Mickey.