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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Yes, and there's another fairly substantial group like me who aren't exactly outers but are sceptical as we don't see tactical flexibility, adaptation or enough PL-ready players to mount a serious challenge on multiple fronts at this moment in time. that doesn't make us non-fans, reactionary, or so on...it's just a reasonable doubt at a particular manager's style.
That's why I'm an outer.

But if the guy starts winning I'm an inner.

Nothing wrong with that. I want us to win. Every game. Even vs Man City last season.

I feel we can do Man U this week.
 
Injuries were used last season as an excuse. And again this season. See the pattern.

Point is, yes they are issue, but:

- they increasingly look to be in part self-inflicted
- he bought kids + Solanke in the summer, when maybe he needed some more finished articles.

Postecoglou has been chasing Gallagher since pretty much the moment he arrived and wanted both Eze and Neto in the summer.

This pretence that the manager has control over the purse strings is laughable. We know who he's been chasing and we know who the club has signed. Making out it was his "choice" is just re-writing history because you want a stick to beat the manager with when you know FULL WELL it will happen to the next manager too. It's pathetic.
 
Postecoglou has been chasing Gallagher since pretty much the moment he arrived and wanted both Eze and Neto in the summer.

This pretence that the manager has control over the purse strings is laughable. We know who he's been chasing and we know who the club has signed. Making out it was his "choice" is just re-writing history because you want a stick to beat the manager with when you know FULL WELL it will happen to the next manager too. It's pathetic.
Right.

Just because Postecoglou signed off on Gray, Odobert,and Bergvall as players he can work with, that doesn’t mean he didn’t want players who are ready now as well. It’s a credit to him that he didn’t throw his toys out the pram when the club told him he’s getting potential and not established,

It’s also why those noises from the club about backing him because they went with a youth oriented transfer policy, need to be true.

Should the club still charge top whack ticket prices and ask the fans to be similarly patient? Very different question but they must know from the chants from fans they can’t palm that blame off onto the manager now. If they even wanted to this time.
 
It was a simple yes or no question, buddy.

I don't really give a fuck who you consider our best 3 Centre Backs - all I care about is the fact that three out of four aren't available and whether you think that might just possibly be a determiner in how to evaluate performance?

Clearly you think Daniel Levy has provided Tottenham with MORE THAN ENOUGH quality and depth this season. I expect to see your thanks and appreciation in the Enic thread :thumbup:
You seem to be discounting that Ange has any part in either the injuries or the squad composition. I don't buy that.

Levy is a cunt for giving him £105m pa to spend on wages - 2/3rds of what rivals have. But within that envelope, the decisions are Ange's. I actually like the players we bought in the summer, even if we overpaid a bit for some, but he needed two more established 20 something players ... perhaps instead of Odobert and Werner.
 
Postecoglou has been chasing Gallagher since pretty much the moment he arrived and wanted both Eze and Neto in the summer.

This pretence that the manager has control over the purse strings is laughable. We know who he's been chasing and we know who the club has signed. Making out it was his "choice" is just re-writing history because you want a stick to beat the manager with when you know FULL WELL it will happen to the next manager too. It's pathetic.
No one is pretending that Ange has control over the wage budget, but rather that has to operate within the ENIC envelope of c£105m pa on players' wages.

Right now we are wasting £170k p/w on Werner. And there are a few others ... Son at £200k p/w (?) is not good value for this team any more either. Yet he makes him captain.
 
No one is pretending that Ange has control over the wage budget, but rather that has to operate within the ENIC envelope of c£105m pa on players' wages.

Right now we are wasting £170k p/w on Werner. And there are a few others ... Son at £200k p/w (?) is not good value for this team any more either. Yet he makes him captain.

Moving your goalposts isn't going to fly. We are wasting those wages on Werner because the club refused to pay up for Neto. And the idea that any manager in the world is going to move Son on is even more laughable than pretending Ange Postecoglou controls the purse strings.

It's so weird that people have to make up utter shit to justify their lack of belief in the manager when there's perfectly good reasons out there to make.
 
Postecoglou has been chasing Gallagher since pretty much the moment he arrived and wanted both Eze and Neto in the summer.

This pretence that the manager has control over the purse strings is laughable. We know who he's been chasing and we know who the club has signed. Making out it was his "choice" is just re-writing history because you want a stick to beat the manager with when you know FULL WELL it will happen to the next manager too. It's pathetic.
There is still middle ground there. We are not title/top4 contenders because of Levy, which is obvious. But, we should still sit comfortably at least in top 8. And that's more on Ange imo. And the fact we lost to CP, Ipswich, lost points with Leicester. Table is flat and we can jump quickly. We reach higher position - everyone will be on Levy back only again. Untill then, pressure should be on Ange as well
 
Now ask yourself how many of our players would make their bench… not start but just bench?
Bench? Easy. Most of our first choice 11 are at least good enough to make their benches. A few are good enough to start for some of them.

Vicario is better than Onana but the other top teams have better keepers. Liverpool are also blessed with arguably the best back up keeper too.

Romero would probably start for all of them, but they all have at least one CB better than him. Madders and Deki are elite. You start struggling after that. Maybe Micky but his strength is is pace. He’s wank in the air.
 
There is still middle ground there. We are not title/top4 contenders because of Levy, which is obvious. But, we should still sit comfortably at least in top 8. And that's more on Ange imo. And the fact we lost to CP, Ipswich, lost points with Leicester. Table is flat and we can jump quickly. We reach higher position - everyone will be on Levy back only again. Untill then, pressure should be on Ange as well
This i completely agree with. :thumbup:
 
It was a simple yes or no question, buddy.

I don't really give a fuck who you consider our best 3 Centre Backs - all I care about is the fact that three out of four aren't available and whether you think that might just possibly be a determiner in how to evaluate performance?

Clearly you think Daniel Levy has provided Tottenham with MORE THAN ENOUGH quality and depth this season. I expect to see your thanks and appreciation in the Enic thread :thumbup:
...so it wasn't a simple yes or no question?

And if that's what you default expect on a forum when you ask a question, maybe we can give you a colouring-in book to pass the time away instead.
 
Postecoglou has been chasing Gallagher since pretty much the moment he arrived and wanted both Eze and Neto in the summer.

This pretence that the manager has control over the purse strings is laughable. We know who he's been chasing and we know who the club has signed. Making out it was his "choice" is just re-writing history because you want a stick to beat the manager with when you know FULL WELL it will happen to the next manager too. It's pathetic.
Sources?
 
There is still middle ground there. We are not title/top4 contenders because of Levy, which is obvious. But, we should still sit comfortably at least in top 8. And that's more on Ange imo. And the fact we lost to CP, Ipswich, lost points with Leicester. Table is flat and we can jump quickly. We reach higher position - everyone will be on Levy back only again. Untill then, pressure should be on Ange as well

Does the current squad depth grant him any leeway?
 
...so it wasn't a simple yes or no question?

And if that's what you default expect on a forum when you ask a question, maybe we can give you a colouring-in book to pass the time away

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As an FYI forum each member gets a free colouring in book and stomach friendly edible crayons upon being able to make 100 posts my good man.
(To begin with they weren’t edible. Awful what happened.)

This isn’t MENSA you know!

A standard answer to many posts is “OK” so please don’t expect too much of us.
 
I am Ange out (since Chelsea match) but credit where credit is due, we do get a few thrashing under him where we look the business. Very entertaining game yesterday and badly needed. I won’t get my hopes up at going on a run but I really enjoyed last night.
 
...so it wasn't a simple yes or no question?

And if that's what you default expect on a forum when you ask a question, maybe we can give you a colouring-in book to pass the time away instead.

It was a very simple Yes or No question to which, I note, you still haven't given a Yes or No answer too.

Perhaps I could lend you a crayon from my colouring-in book to assist you?

Here's the question again:
Out of interest, if we beat United without our 3 first choice CB's; our first choice keeper; Bentancur; Richarlison; and, now, potentially, our first choice left back... Would you consider that just the bare minimum of what you expect?

I didn't ask you if you think we should have "fair hopes to defeat an average Man Utd team at home" - I asked you if it was the bare minimum you'd expect?

Of course we both know you're not being a serious interlocutor. The idea that ANY team that has lost TEN of its players, including 4 of its first choice Back 5, should be expected to beat a fully healthy Manchester United team home or away is preposterous. This might be the manager's fault as you clearly believe but that's not the question at hand, is it?

We can hope to get a result but if we do it would, self-evidently, be quite a remarkable achievement for the manager - as it would be for ANY manager in such a dire situation. You don't want to concede that, I get it - but it doesn't make it any less true.

Unless, as I've already noted, you think our Squad is so abundantly stacked with quality that the absent players should make no discernible difference. In which case I expect to see you in the Enic thread thanking Daniel Levy for assembling one of the strongest and deepest football squads in the known universe.
 



Games that I explicitly mentioned about in my message were not played during injury crisis. If it was about just recent results from last 2 weeks, i guess nobody would say anything here. Myself included, even when i blame his playing style and some decisions for part of injuries.

Exactly - it's not hard to base your opinion on the manager off the games BEFORE the injury crisis began. That is both fair and rational.

It's the absolute wallies who try to deny that our current injury crisis should have no effect on our ability to win games right now that need to give their heads a wobble.
 
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