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Management Ange Postecoglou

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This isn't necessarily true at all.

And to be clear, yes, there are clubs that buy the best players for the highest fee and the biggest wages in as many positions as they can on the pitch - but it is not the only way at all.

Arsneal didn't splash their cash until they had already allowed Arteta 2.5 seasons to get his tactics right and imprinted on his young, inexpensive side. Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, Saliba, Gabriel - all cheap as chips and very low wages initially.

Same with Liverpool right now - look at their signings the last few years, the fees and the wages - Salah and VDV are the difference makers, for sure, but none of their other important cogs were comparatively big transfer fees and wages.

Then you can look at Man U who have done the opposite and splashed ludicrous amounts of money on fees and wages and produced very little in relative terms to that outlay - they certainly have not achieved any kind of stability or consistency.
As I said, he will need better players for his system to be effective at the level he dreams of.
We need to wait and see what happens next.
 
Think there is a serious lack of appreciation of the hand Ange has been dealt .
I think people underestimate how much Levy himself appreciates what Ange has done.

The club was in an utterly toxic state in Conte's wake, and then it sold Harry Kane. Not only did Ange keep that situation afloat, he turned the page narratively, and has made useable contributors out of not just his own purchases, but the players he inherited, including ones deemed useless by previous coaches.

Ange has shown an ability to not have Levy's transfer investment go wasted (credit due to Paratici and Lange too of course). That's quite a radical change from even our most successful managers of ENIC's tenure. That's a very prominent reason why I feel confident Ange is nowhere near the sack in Levy's mind, I think that outcome will be strenuously avoided, a sharp break from Levy's normal trigger-happiness.
 
As I said, he will need better players for his system to be effective at the level he dreams of.
We need to wait and see what happens next.

You said players for bigger fees and bigger wages -

We could potentially, and I know many people think this, find a better player than Johnson for less money.

I guess my overall point is that the 40m teenager has been looking pretty decent the last few weeks and by this time next season i expect to be our start CDM.

As always, what any manager needs is the right player for the system regardless of price tag or wage demands.
 
You said players for bigger fees and bigger wages -

We could potentially, and I know many people think this, find a better player than Johnson for less money.

I guess my overall point is that the 40m teenager has been looking pretty decent the last few weeks and by this time next season i expect to be our start CDM.

As always, what any manager needs is the right player for the system regardless of price tag or wage demands.
Usually the best players cost more in fee and wages.
I don't see gray starting as CDM next season, it's a disciplined position and I think ange will try to get another in with experience.
But I do believe he will get more game time there.
 
I think people underestimate how much Levy himself appreciates what Ange has done.

The club was in an utterly toxic state in Conte's wake, and then it sold Harry Kane. Not only did Ange keep that situation afloat, he turned the page narratively, and has made useable contributors out of not just his own purchases, but the players he inherited, including ones deemed useless by previous coaches.

Ange has shown an ability to not have Levy's transfer investment go wasted (credit due to Paratici and Lange too of course). That's quite a radical change from even our most successful managers of ENIC's tenure. That's a very prominent reason why I feel confident Ange is nowhere near the sack in Levy's mind, I think that outcome will be strenuously avoided, a sharp break from Levy's normal trigger-happiness.

Good post, he's not sacking him anytime soon unless it gets really bad. Ange does a good job of protecting the owners and putting everything on his back as opposed to other managers turning their back on him.

That's partly the reason why I'm prepared to wait until the end of the season, pointless getting rid of him mid season especially now, you're taking the club even further backwards if you pull the trigger.
 
I think people underestimate how much Levy himself appreciates what Ange has done.

The club was in an utterly toxic state in Conte's wake, and then it sold Harry Kane. Not only did Ange keep that situation afloat, he turned the page narratively, and has made useable contributors out of not just his own purchases, but the players he inherited, including ones deemed useless by previous coaches.

Ange has shown an ability to not have Levy's transfer investment go wasted (credit due to Paratici and Lange too of course). That's quite a radical change from even our most successful managers of ENIC's tenure. That's a very prominent reason why I feel confident Ange is nowhere near the sack in Levy's mind, I think that outcome will be strenuously avoided, a sharp break from Levy's normal trigger-happiness.
As one concrete example, Hojbjerg, Skipp and Emerson Royal are three players that were totally ill-suited to Angeball, players Ange never would have bought in a million years, and who he would have had every right to freeze out of the squad and totally tank their transfer value, and become those familiar situations where we're paying their salaries to limp them around on loan for multiple years. We know that's exactly what former managers would have done.

Instead, Ange made use of all three players, squeezed what performance he could out of them WHILE not compromising on the football he was trying to develop and bed new players into, and we sold those three for over 50 million in the summer.

We know how Levy is, and we know how obstinate he's been over the years that we SHOULD be able to wring value out of our deadwood while constantly failing to do so. Ange making that work will not have gone unnoticed.
 
Usually the best players cost more in fee and wages.
I don't see gray starting as CDM next season, it's a disciplined position and I think ange will try to get another in with experience.
But I do believe he will get more game time there.


I personally think one of Bissouma or bentancur will be sold and which ever one stays will be serpassed by Gray mid way next season, he has unreal talent for his age and he is out performing Dagusin out of position at CB and I think Dagusin is doing ok
 
I can't really knock him for all the nice things he said and he sounds like he was actually invested in this club a bit because he knows our history. They asked him so many questions about Ange but he handled it with class in fairness.

IDGAF tho, we need to smash them up.
I'm small time. I just don't like him. He's still fake to me. What, is him expecting to say bad things about us, or any team they are gonna face? Not possible. Russell Martin was more genuine when he spoke at length about Ange and us before playing us. That was a respect that could be felt. Not from Slot for me. Every praises or punts or criticism or sarcasm, he will always have that wry smrik.
 
I personally think one of Bissouma or bentancur will be sold and which ever one stays will be serpassed by Gray mid way next season, he has unreal talent for his age and he is out performing Dagusin out of position at CB and I think Dagusin is doing ok
He does look a real prospect, it was good business by the club.
We won't probably see the best of him for another 6 or 7 years due his age, has a big future ahead of him.
 
Why would you even ask this? Everyone knows that when Spurs lose this place is jam packed with people offering support and a great sense of togetherness and mutual appreciation despite our petty differences... :cautious:

Oh yeah and I've never been called a cum guzzler or Levy lover for daring to have a slightly different opinion to John Thomas John Thomas and the gang.
 
Premier League I guess it makes it feel even bigger but still Premier League a month ago

So how well do you think Woolwich would be doing without

Raya
Gabriel
Saliba
Timber
Odegaard

All at the same time plus 6 of their regularly used subs ( not just peripheral players) were out . They struggled just without Odegaard

Take out of Liverpool

Van Dyke
Konate
Robinson
Gravenberch

I won’t mention goalkeepers cos Kelleher is no Forster he is levels above Forster

Then knockout 6 subs that they regularly use


Both the above have vastly superior squad depth than Ange has been given.. As for Chelsea their squad depth is off the chart

Let’s not forget how Woolwich crumbled when they lost Saliba alone for 6 games towards the end of the season before last .

Think there is a serious lack of appreciation of the hand Ange has been dealt .

How well was Ange doing when he had basically all of that?

This is the issue. Yeah we have injuries and should take it in to account. We still had a point from two games against the two promoted sides PRIOR to injuries.

We weren’t consistently picking up points pre all those being out and we aren’t afterwards either.

We had this last season too btw - wait till Ange gets his players back. Well he did and we still weren’t consistent.

If I thought with a fully fit team we’d be flying then I’d be behind him. We aren’t and won’t be. There will always be excuses for this man.
 
Oh yeah and I've never been called a cum guzzler or Levy lover for daring to have a slightly different opinion to John Thomas John Thomas and the gang.

Calling people "cum guzzling Cultists" is just their way of saying "tough luck old chap, I respect your desire to support the manager but I fear you are erroneous"

Or something like that...
 
Calling people "cum guzzling Cultists" is just their way of saying "tough luck old chap, I respect your desire to support the manager but I fear you are erroneous"

Or something like that...

Ah ok - I just took it as a coping mechanism by grown men who are unable to deal with losing games of football and being made fun of by their mates who support other teams but now I truly get it.
 
I'm small time. I just don't like him. He's still fake to me. What, is him expecting to say bad things about us, or any team they are gonna face? Not possible. Russell Martin was more genuine when he spoke at length about Ange and us before playing us. That was a respect that could be felt. Not from Slot for me. Every praises or punts or criticism or sarcasm, he will always have that wry smrik.
His underlying message was a bit patronizing.
 
Good post, he's not sacking him anytime soon unless it gets really bad. Ange does a good job of protecting the owners and putting everything on his back as opposed to other managers turning their back on him.


Yeah this is actually true, he is just happy to be here and thankful whereas other coaches felt they could challenge the board.

He is well behaved so as long as that continues he will keep getting fed treats.
 
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