I just don't see the quick fix if we bring in a new manager now. No need to start getting all narky about it. Thats just my opinion and I've given my reasons countless times already. I think you just don't like that I'm actually making sense
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Always find it funny how idiots are the most offended when called an idiot.
If I make an arse of myself and someone jokingly calls me an idiot I'll laugh at it.
Say the same to an actual idiot and they act like you murdered their child.
Romero and Richarlison both got injuries in their first games back from injury. Almost certainly rushed back.
It’s not a lazy narrative if it’s true more often than it’s not.
Why can’t both be true? I just don’t understand the constant need for everything to be so black or white.
United are in 14th, so where would they be if they had our recent injuries and suspensions? City are in 7th and in total shit form and all we hear about is the impact of the loss of Rodri on them.
Like it or not, we have a system that doesn’t allow for mediocre performances to eek out results. Because of that, the injuries have been particularly bad for us, and you can see the impact especially in our defensive stats. But even if we went to Mourinho styled low block all game, every game we still lack the quality and depth to be in that significantly better of a position.
AND…Ange’s system is inherently making it even more difficult on our players. Both things can be true.
But it's not true more often than it's not is it?
We didn't even lose the forest game because of that.
Do you watch the games at all?
I agree with you here. Our squad was very tight going into this season. We knew that a Vicario injury or a few injuries in defence would leave us completely exposed and thats what has happened.If only there was some way of being able to know how many games we had to play in a season and the demands that would place on the squad.
We struggled with injuries last year and we played 41 games. We only added ONE senior player to the squad knowing we might play 69 games, releasing Hoijberg, Skippy and Royal in the process. This manager has bemoaned wanting a bigger squad (until now) and didn’t rotate when he could have.
Most of us knew this was going to be an issue.
This is why I don't understand the fans who are so sure that sacking Ange will resolve all issues. Our squad is not good enough to challenge for the cups and top 4 together! We are playing teams like Forrest at the weekend who had a stronger team out then we had. Sels, Aine, Milenkovic, Murillo, Gibbs White and Elanga would have all started for us at the weekend. Its a sad state of affairs when thats the case that Nottingham Forrest went into a game favourites against us and had a stronger team on the pitch.
Basically we haven't the squad depth to compete atm and a few injuries quickly moves us into a midtable team and thats what we are right now. The current group of players we have available are midtable at best and thats how we are performing. No manager would get us through this period with results!
we're playing ossie ardiles football and he got sacked after 6 months i think 
Might not have been 3v2 but they scored on a counter attack with all of our defenders running back for dear life facing our goal, again.
So not a 3v2
Like 90% of the goals we have conceded.
My point.
Likely the same way we looked BEFORE the injuries: thoroughly mediocre and dropping points in games we had no business losing.
Sacking Ange wouldn’t be a kneejerk reaction in the slightest. In fact, the evidence is overwhelming—injuries or not—that he hasn’t been up to the standard required to manage this football club (or any PL club imo) the issues we’re seeing now aren’t anomalies; they’re just continuations of a pattern that started long before the squad was depleted.
The quickest fix a change of manager would likely implement is to stop both fullbacks inverting which would immediately make us more solid at the back.
I think this is the most frustrating thing I’ve found from the last few games where our hashed up centre pairing could have done with more protection.
I thought Ange was reasonably safe for the season, but I can’t see the board tolerating us dropping much further down the table which is entirely possible looking at the run of games.
Ange’s stubbornness will likely be his undoing, where a slight tweak to the way the back four play could help us through this injury period.
we're playing ossie ardiles football and he got sacked after 6 months i think
No he got the sack a few months into his second season so he had been in charge for at least 14 or 15 months iirc
And that Ossie had Klinsmann, Sheringham, Anderton, Barmby and Dumitrescu to lead his attack minded team for the second season
This Aussie has Son, Richarlison, Johnson, Werner and Odobert
It’s a no-brainer you’d think. It’s the predominant reason we are losing so many games regardless of who’s playing.
“Doing exactly what we did last time in the last thing they’ll expect”.
This is plausible and sadly, probably realistic. But Levy does have an itchy trigger finger so you never know what might push him over the edge.
It’s the thing I’ve found the most frustrating!
I’ve been behind the manager, but I must admit I’ve started to have had enough of his refusal to adapt.
Sometimes it’s 2v2, 3v2,3v3,3v4 so what. It’s a problem caused by the way we play. The opposition scores because we are always running back at full speed from overloading the opposition half. We lost the recovery pace of VDV and no adjustments were made. If we can’t make adjustments to “90%” of the goals we’ve conceded, there’s a problem.
Richarlison is injury prone.
I just don’t understand your logic with Romero. He was coming back from a broken toe, and then sustained a hamstring injury after trying a Cruyff turn. How is that due to being rushed back?
VdV injury however… is totally on Ange.
The more I listen to him, the more I think he views himself as the man who figured out how football works and is going to redefine it. He must see any adaptation as an admission that he hasn't cracked the code. If you view things in that context, it doesn't matter who Spurs play or what the game state is. The system is the answer to every question. It can't be changed.
I'd probably feel the same having success in Australia, Japan, and Scotland.
'Can't get better than this, mate'
Maybe next time he should try somewhere more on his level like Antarctica.
United have already sacked a manager for poor performance. They are a terrible team. City are at the end of a cycle and clearly influenced by outside circs. Their issues aren’t an injury lol, Rodri has been out before. They’re a broken side impacted by the investigation. Don’t be at all surprised if we end up behind United anyway (with an already sacked coach!) by the time our hard fixtures are done.
Competent sides don’t fall apart the way we have. Liverpool had no defenders under Klopp (they had a CDM there and a championship cb) and they still plugged away getting points and achieved top four. We are not a competent side and so yes, the injuries have crippled us .. in a way it doesn’t cripple a team with their shit together.