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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
No doubt. It was a terrible result.

I would argue that Ange still doesn't have the players that he wants for the attacking system he wants to play. I blame him for continuing to jam players into positions they won't succeed. I blame the board for buying the wrong players.

Given the current squad, what kind of manager will do well here?
Do we have the 1v1 wingers and inverted fullbacks needed for Ange? No!
Do we have the defenders who are comfortable sitting back inviting pressure and counter? No

I know those are the two extremes and there is the in-between, but once again we have a bunch of misfit players and no real identity.
Surely the whole point is that having inverted wingers leaves us open at the back. His tactical genius master plan that no one else adopts. Even prime maldini and Carlos wouldn’t make a diff playing as inverted FBs. The system is flawed it’s not the players.
 
He needed a striker and they signed the most expensive player of the summer despite having posted the largest annual financial loss in club history the season before.

The difference between Klopp and Ange is:

Klopp made over 300 appearances for Mainz 05, Ange played in Australia.

Klopp managed for 14 years at Mainz and Dortmund, winning the Bundesliga twice (including a double) and getting to a CL final. Ange managed in Australia, Japan, and then the 1 team in a 1 team Scottish league.

Klopp had serious chops (and chompers) when he was appointed, and so when it wasn't working at first there was reason to believe it was Liverpool and not Klopp.

Ange is doing worse than any Spurs manager in the past 15 years. He's accomplished nothing of note previously. There's little reason to believe it's not largely his own fault we're not at least 6th.

Let's not rewrite history too. Klopp make an instant impact there and the end of his first season they were European finalists. Then CL Finalists, CL regulars, title challengers and CL and title winners. One of the best coaches in Europe when he went there.

His impact was instant, we played them in Klopps first game and they ran/played us off the park. The comparisons to Ange are ridiculous.

Ange has been here 18 months and we are getting worse, far worse, abysmal. There are no positives at all. Ange didn't win us anything, or even get close to a final. He's a fraud.
 
I just dont understand why radio and tv ask for opinions on tottenham from people who have no affiliation with tottenham. When its liverpool or man utd carragher and neville are always on. Even neville has a 30 minute podcast on man utd. Unbalanced coverage imo. Redknapp always thought he was bigger than us so take all three of them as a pinch of salt. If harry redknapp, hoddle, dawson, sherwood were the pundits on radio and tv then its genuine and would take notice. Tbh harry redknapp and hoddle should be consultants to the board. Vertonghen, alderweireld and van der vaart should be involved with our academy. They were ex ajax as well and one of best academies in world.
Yes would be fully behind having Harry and Glenn as consultants to the board but like pleat.
 


It's because they are utterly fucking clueless. The majority of football fans, are completely clueless. They won't realise it until it's too late, and we've lost another half dozen games, maybe even finish the season 15th. Yet they still will find excuses for Ange, say back him in the summer, give him next season.

If people cannot see the many many reasons why Ange should be sacked, and that another manager could do far better with this current squad, then they never will think he should be sacked. For them, it's injuries, lack of backing, always anyone but the manager etc

It's pointless debating with them on twitter, they are all just dumb as fk.
 
His last back to back league wins were in September. Before that, the last b-b wins were in early march. Before that, December 2023.

So after his miracle run that ended in Oct 2023, he's only had back to back wins on three occasions.

Dec 2023.
March 2024.
September 2024.

How is he getting away with it?
 
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Let's not rewrite history too. Klopp make an instant impact there and the end of his first season they were European finalists. Then CL Finalists, CL regulars, title challengers and CL and title winners. One of the best coaches in Europe when he went there.

His impact was instant, we played them in Klopps first game and they ran/played us off the park. The comparisons to Ange are ridiculous.

Ange has been here 18 months and we are getting worse, far worse, abysmal. There are no positives at all. Ange didn't win us anything, or even get close to a final. He's a fraud.
I dunno, it wasn't immediate.

He took 12/27 points in his first 9 matches and 23/51 in his first 17, and I wasn't the only one gleefully calling him Flopp.

Did turn it around quickly coming out of that first January window, though.
 
I dunno, it wasn't immediate.

He took 12/27 points in his first 9 matches and 23/51 in his first 17, and I wasn't the only one gleefully calling him Flopp.

Did turn it around quickly coming out of that first January window, though.

They were inconsistent in the league for a while but his style of play was noticeable immediately and he took them to a European final in his first season. They also showed a constant if times inconsistent upward trend of improvement. That showed everyone pretty early on, he was going to be a special manager for them.

When a manager takes over a club I always look for constant improvement. I would much rather a manager take 12/27 in his first 9 games, but show constant improvement. Rather than win his first 9 games but then get worse and worse.

Only one of those above shows a manager is improving the team, and not just relying on initial new manager bounce.

It's why Amorim, well nobody should be getting carried away and calling him a flop now. Of course at some point he will need to show improvement, but it's far too early yet. That said, there is always the need for any manager to get enough results to keep their job, enough to give them the time to improve the team. You can't just keep losing and then say you need time, it doesn't work like that. That is why doing well in another competition, like a cup final, can buy you more time too. Klopp did that, Arteta won a cup. Again Ange did neither.
 
I dunno, it wasn't immediate.

He took 12/27 points in his first 9 matches and 23/51 in his first 17, and I wasn't the only one gleefully calling him Flopp.

Did turn it around quickly coming out of that first January window, though.

Yeah, in the early days he was criticised a lot for not being able to set up a defence. But the difference between our club and L’pool is that they invested in the keeper &VVD and it all turned around.
 
It's because they are utterly fucking clueless. The majority of football fans, are completely clueless. They won't realise it until it's too late, and we've lost another half dozen games, maybe even finish the season 15th. Yet they still will find excuses for Ange, say back him in the summer, give him next season.

If people cannot see the many many reasons why Ange should be sacked, and that another manager could do far better with this current squad, then they never will think he should be sacked. For them, it's injuries, lack of backing, always anyone but the manager etc

It's pointless debating with them on twitter, they are all just dumb as fk.

Ah yes the majority of football fans are clueless and the residents of TFC in the Ange thread are the football braniacs, of course. 😆
 
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