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I can’t be arsed even dignifying that with a response. BC has some weird dislike of Pochettino and need to play him down whereas he has an obvious soft spot for Ange for whatever reason. Probably because we keep the ball.
Ange’s win loss ratio & PPG will end up being the worst we’ve had for some time by the time we pull the trigger.
I didn't say that. Of course I want to win something.So the aim isn’t to win stuff then?
Ok might as well fold the club.
Original poster is a clown shoe. Always has been always will be.
You can’t copy Pep. Ange doesn’t have the resources, the mind or the background to do it. If you want him to copy Pep then he’s going to be a failure and take the club down with him.
Fair enough. But this exchange has taught me one thing: going on your assessment of the state of the squad Pochettino inherited then there's really only one logical conclusion to draw about any of this:
Tim Sherwood is a feckin genius and we should get him back in IMMEDIATELY![]()
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Portuguese league is ranked 7th globally. Championship 11th. Scottish premier league 43rd.Ange would get that United team relegated FFS. It is actually not terrible quality wise but it is the antithesis of a squad suited to high press/intensity football. A Marco Silva could have it top 6. The squad is too old, lazy and egotistical.
I have no idea if Amorim is good or not. Managing Sporting in Portugal isn’t proof you can do it in the Prem anymore than Ange managing Celtic is. I’m sure his philosophy sounds fantastic in an interview.
Some people are weird.I didn't say that. Of course I want to win something.
The original poster stated he wanted a more balanced manager. You might have some previous cyber beef with him but if you take that post in isolation he didn't say anything wrong and he's entitled to want that. I mean the majority minus a couple of loons want that.
7th being pretty shit thenPortuguese league is ranked 7th globally. Championship 11th. Scottish premier league 43rd.
Poch coached a lot of players considered fairly good/underachieving into cup finalists/title competitors, that's his outstanding achievement.Nobody, *NOBODY* rated the squad Pochettino took over! He had a number of ageing played to painfully phase out (Ryan Mason + Bentaleb having to play regularly, I’m sure Ange would love it). He finished 5th first season, which apparently when Ange achieved it was a real accomplishment. He also got to a league cup final. Kane wasn’t the greatest premier league striker when he took over and I have zero faith this current manager brings him through at all.
Also a team which had finished top 4 under Conte and was 4th under Conte before he was sacked. We finished 8th because Levy appointed his assistant and then Mason. Ange then lost Kane but added Van de Ven, Udogie, Dragusin, a full season of Porro, Johnson, Maddison, Vicario, Solomon, Werner, spending over £200 million pounds that year. He then got another £130 million invested this summer.
Pochettino spent 4 million net in his first summer window. 16m net in his second window. Players he developed (Dele, Walker, Rose, Dier etc) are being given so much hindsight it’s unreal. I have zero, ZERO faith this current charlatan turns those players in to what they became under Pochettino.
There’s only one group of people rewriting history here and it’s the people pretending Ange has had it insanely hard, and not much easier than many of our previous coaches. We genuinely have a decent squad right now (easily top 6 with lots of growth potential) but this manager is failing miserably.
Sherwood was ideal for the December and January when he took over. Taking things back to the rudimentary elements. Semi feel good factor and all that. The issue came when he had to guide the team through another 4 months. With all the challenges that spring up in that time, he didn't have what it took. The rest of his managerial career cemented that.Sherwood actually started off ok, it just very quickly started to sink downhill and we started losing a lot of games with zero balance to us. A bit like Ange to be fair. He also did a lot of talking about attack attack attack.
When?Yeah he does respond to opposition tactics and learn from past mistakes
So name an u traditional way then please?Yeah he does. Not usually in ways people want him to or in the traditional ways that fans and pundits like to talk about but the adjustments happen.
Results are results though and they’ve been shit for a while. He can’t get shit results forever and stay so really that’s all that needs to be said in this thread atm
Amorim has gone on record saying he's not going to change the tactics but he is now going to adapt. That's him conceding things are not going well and something has to change.
Your comment about Pep is pretty cringe tbh. Every manager in world football has their basic principles and few will completley change that. What the majority would do is being open to adapt the tactic which isn't remotely similar to "basic principles". That's why the 4-4-2 tactic is borderline extinct, having more players on the pitch doesn't necessarily mean you are a more attacking team or will attack more in a match.
Think you are on about spam game. Come on mate it wasn’t that long ago. Being an Ange thought that one would be ingrained into your memory.He’s made plenty of half time tweaks that changed games in our favour. We conceded first in most of our games.
There was a game vs Everton I think but could have been someone else, Maddison playing well but we were struggling with them tactically in MF, he subbed Maddison and we tore them to pieces.
The problem we have is physical not tactical imo. We struggle when we can’t impose the game we want physically
PL has 3-4 teams that can win it. Don't overestimate how competitive this league is.Hes a good coach almorim but given the time at sporting to get his ideas across. But portugal has 3-4 decent teams, the rest are cannon fodder. Premier league is relentless. Every game is tough. Could argue the same with ange is scotland. 4 tough games a season against 1 tough opponent.
My point is that wages predict winning not net spend and I have shared with you articles where people have collected all the work done by people studying that before.well it was 35m but ok...right...what are you saying? it shouldn't count? didn't you just say before this that you wanted and liked us going to youth route? I don't get the point.
Really, where did he say this?
Your 2nd paragraph is bit of mess, if you're saying that every manager in world football adapts and makes tweaks, if you don't think Ange has done this then you're not paying attention.
If you want examples - Wolves on Sunday where he played a mid to low block and played on the counter.
City he did the same thing, Brentford this season he put Johnson and Son closer to goal...other matches he hasn't inverted the full backs as much.
Played a false 9 against City last season.
He's played 3 at the back when trying to close out games in particular last season for example (think against Utd if I recall)
The principles of pressing and playing out and being brave is what I'm talking about not formation switches.
This has been explained countless times for those that want to listen but they don't want to listen. They want to listen to Jamie Carragher saying he needs to "adapt" after losses. Even though it's Jamie Carragher's job to notice the tweaks and changes that have happened but he doesn't have ability to do that because he's a hopeless ex pro who probably didn't listen during tactical sessions and film rooms.
This has been explained countless times for those that want to listen but they don't want to listen. They want to listen to Jamie Carragher saying he needs to "adapt" after losses. Even though it's Jamie Carragher's job to notice the tweaks and changes that have happened but he doesn't have ability to do that because he's a hopeless ex pro who probably didn't listen during tactical sessions and film rooms.
Amorim said that pre newcastle when interviewed by Neville I think.Really, where did he say this?
Your 2nd paragraph is bit of mess, if you're saying that every manager in world football adapts and makes tweaks, if you don't think Ange has done this then you're not paying attention.
If you want examples - Wolves on Sunday where he played a mid to low block and played on the counter.
City he did the same thing, Brentford this season he put Johnson and Son closer to goal...other matches he hasn't inverted the full backs as much.
Played a false 9 against City last season.
He's played 3 at the back when trying to close out games in particular last season for example (think against Utd if I recall)
The principles of pressing and playing out and being brave is what I'm talking about not formation switches.