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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I can’t be arsed even dignifying that with a response. BC has some weird dislike of Pochettino and need to play him down whereas he has an obvious soft spot for Ange for whatever reason. Probably because we keep the ball.

Ange’s win loss ratio & PPG will end up being the worst we’ve had for some time by the time we pull the trigger.

Fair enough. But this exchange has taught me one thing: going on your assessment of the state of the squad Pochettino inherited then there's really only one logical conclusion to draw about any of this:

Tim Sherwood is a feckin genius and we should get him back in IMMEDIATELY :adesalute: :D
 
So the aim isn’t to win stuff then?

Ok might as well fold the club.

Original poster is a clown shoe. Always has been always will be.
I didn't say that. Of course I want to win something.

The original poster stated he wanted a more balanced manager. You might have some previous cyber beef with him but if you take that post in isolation he didn't say anything wrong and he's entitled to want that. I mean the majority minus a couple of loons want that.
 
You can’t copy Pep. Ange doesn’t have the resources, the mind or the background to do it. If you want him to copy Pep then he’s going to be a failure and take the club down with him.

You can't copy him but you can aim to have the same principles and mindstate as him and believe that you don't need to compromise on your strategy for long term gain if you are trying to build something.

So what is the excuse for Klopp because he didn't compromise either?
 
Fair enough. But this exchange has taught me one thing: going on your assessment of the state of the squad Pochettino inherited then there's really only one logical conclusion to draw about any of this:

Tim Sherwood is a feckin genius and we should get him back in IMMEDIATELY :adesalute: :D

Sherwood actually started off ok, it just very quickly started to sink downhill and we started losing a lot of games with zero balance to us. A bit like Ange to be fair. He also did a lot of talking about attack attack attack.
 
Ange would get that United team relegated FFS. It is actually not terrible quality wise but it is the antithesis of a squad suited to high press/intensity football. A Marco Silva could have it top 6. The squad is too old, lazy and egotistical.

I have no idea if Amorim is good or not. Managing Sporting in Portugal isn’t proof you can do it in the Prem anymore than Ange managing Celtic is. I’m sure his philosophy sounds fantastic in an interview.
Portuguese league is ranked 7th globally. Championship 11th. Scottish premier league 43rd.
 
Nobody, *NOBODY* rated the squad Pochettino took over! He had a number of ageing played to painfully phase out (Ryan Mason + Bentaleb having to play regularly, I’m sure Ange would love it). He finished 5th first season, which apparently when Ange achieved it was a real accomplishment. He also got to a league cup final. Kane wasn’t the greatest premier league striker when he took over and I have zero faith this current manager brings him through at all.

Also a team which had finished top 4 under Conte and was 4th under Conte before he was sacked. We finished 8th because Levy appointed his assistant and then Mason. Ange then lost Kane but added Van de Ven, Udogie, Dragusin, a full season of Porro, Johnson, Maddison, Vicario, Solomon, Werner, spending over £200 million pounds that year. He then got another £130 million invested this summer.

Pochettino spent 4 million net in his first summer window. 16m net in his second window. Players he developed (Dele, Walker, Rose, Dier etc) are being given so much hindsight it’s unreal. I have zero, ZERO faith this current charlatan turns those players in to what they became under Pochettino.

There’s only one group of people rewriting history here and it’s the people pretending Ange has had it insanely hard, and not much easier than many of our previous coaches. We genuinely have a decent squad right now (easily top 6 with lots of growth potential) but this manager is failing miserably.
Poch coached a lot of players considered fairly good/underachieving into cup finalists/title competitors, that's his outstanding achievement.
 
Sherwood actually started off ok, it just very quickly started to sink downhill and we started losing a lot of games with zero balance to us. A bit like Ange to be fair. He also did a lot of talking about attack attack attack.
Sherwood was ideal for the December and January when he took over. Taking things back to the rudimentary elements. Semi feel good factor and all that. The issue came when he had to guide the team through another 4 months. With all the challenges that spring up in that time, he didn't have what it took. The rest of his managerial career cemented that.

Lessons to learn going forward perhaps that an interim can do good things, but can only last for so long. But then again, if we didn't hang on to Sherwood until the seasons end, then maybe we don't get Pochettino as manager, so swings and roundabouts.


(And yes I know Sherwood's contract was 18 months officially. But the world and his dog knew that he was there to hold the fort until the summer.)
 
Amorim has gone on record saying he's not going to change the tactics but he is now going to adapt. That's him conceding things are not going well and something has to change.

Your comment about Pep is pretty cringe tbh. Every manager in world football has their basic principles and few will completley change that. What the majority would do is being open to adapt the tactic which isn't remotely similar to "basic principles". That's why the 4-4-2 tactic is borderline extinct, having more players on the pitch doesn't necessarily mean you are a more attacking team or will attack more in a match.

Really, where did he say this?

Your 2nd paragraph is bit of mess, if you're saying that every manager in world football adapts and makes tweaks, if you don't think Ange has done this then you're not paying attention.

If you want examples - Wolves on Sunday where he played a mid to low block and played on the counter.
City he did the same thing, Brentford this season he put Johnson and Son closer to goal...other matches he hasn't inverted the full backs as much.

Played a false 9 against City last season.

He's played 3 at the back when trying to close out games in particular last season for example (think against Utd if I recall)

The principles of pressing and playing out and being brave is what I'm talking about not formation switches.
 
He’s made plenty of half time tweaks that changed games in our favour. We conceded first in most of our games.

There was a game vs Everton I think but could have been someone else, Maddison playing well but we were struggling with them tactically in MF, he subbed Maddison and we tore them to pieces.

The problem we have is physical not tactical imo. We struggle when we can’t impose the game we want physically
Think you are on about spam game. Come on mate it wasn’t that long ago. Being an Ange thought that one would be ingrained into your memory.
 
well it was 35m but ok...right...what are you saying? it shouldn't count? didn't you just say before this that you wanted and liked us going to youth route? I don't get the point.
My point is that wages predict winning not net spend and I have shared with you articles where people have collected all the work done by people studying that before.
Gray is a great case in point because he's part of a high net spend but at the same time part of cutting our wage bill.

I also told you before that I'd want us to get a player like Gray and Bergvall but also get at least 1 more experienced player in that position at the same time. I'd also have liked us to get another left footed defender so Udogie and VDV could have got more rotation and Gray would be playing CM now not CB.
 
Really, where did he say this?

Your 2nd paragraph is bit of mess, if you're saying that every manager in world football adapts and makes tweaks, if you don't think Ange has done this then you're not paying attention.

If you want examples - Wolves on Sunday where he played a mid to low block and played on the counter.
City he did the same thing, Brentford this season he put Johnson and Son closer to goal...other matches he hasn't inverted the full backs as much.

Played a false 9 against City last season.

He's played 3 at the back when trying to close out games in particular last season for example (think against Utd if I recall)

The principles of pressing and playing out and being brave is what I'm talking about not formation switches.

This has been explained countless times for those that want to listen but they don't want to listen. They want to listen to Jamie Carragher saying he needs to "adapt" after losses. Even though it's Jamie Carragher's job to notice the tweaks and changes that have happened but he doesn't have ability to do that because he's a hopeless ex pro who probably didn't listen during tactical sessions and film rooms.
 
This has been explained countless times for those that want to listen but they don't want to listen. They want to listen to Jamie Carragher saying he needs to "adapt" after losses. Even though it's Jamie Carragher's job to notice the tweaks and changes that have happened but he doesn't have ability to do that because he's a hopeless ex pro who probably didn't listen during tactical sessions and film rooms.

Imagine he knows and notices a lot more than you do tbh.
 
This has been explained countless times for those that want to listen but they don't want to listen. They want to listen to Jamie Carragher saying he needs to "adapt" after losses. Even though it's Jamie Carragher's job to notice the tweaks and changes that have happened but he doesn't have ability to do that because he's a hopeless ex pro who probably didn't listen during tactical sessions and film rooms.

Yeah it's just lazy and boring, people would sooner listen to Sky and TalkSport then actually watch what's happening on the pitch, I get it though, no-one really wants to analyse matches and yearn for a need to confirm their bias because they've already made their mind up about the manager.
 
Really, where did he say this?

Your 2nd paragraph is bit of mess, if you're saying that every manager in world football adapts and makes tweaks, if you don't think Ange has done this then you're not paying attention.

If you want examples - Wolves on Sunday where he played a mid to low block and played on the counter.
City he did the same thing, Brentford this season he put Johnson and Son closer to goal...other matches he hasn't inverted the full backs as much.

Played a false 9 against City last season.

He's played 3 at the back when trying to close out games in particular last season for example (think against Utd if I recall)

The principles of pressing and playing out and being brave is what I'm talking about not formation switches.
Amorim said that pre newcastle when interviewed by Neville I think.

Your other points are hilarious though. Against City last season i 100% concede he tried a lot of things different (I wonder why) but the rest just lol.

You actually think we intentionally played a low block counter attacking game against Wolves? For one it wasn't even low block, I was at the game and we played the exact same high line we always do. When not in possession our backline continuously ran close to the middle and continuously tried to win sprint races like they always do. What exactly are you talking about? you're saying ange intentionally instructed us to play on the counter against Wolves at home???
 
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