I’d rather not take the chance of relegation? People act like you can just avoid relegation by flicking a switch. If we keep losing, we will be in danger.The club will need to act. We can’t wait and see if Ange can save us with a few games to spare. If you get sucked into a battle down there anything can happen.
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I’d rather not take the chance of relegation? People act like you can just avoid relegation by flicking a switch. If we keep losing, we will be in danger.The club will need to act. We can’t wait and see if Ange can save us with a few games to spare. If you get sucked into a battle down there anything can happen.
that was United's thinking once Ten Egg had fluked the FA cup final win over Citeh. Up till then I'm sure they were going to boot him out but chickened out. They have now wasted this season entirely by pulling the inevitable trigger 4 months later.
Even if we won 2 cups, inc the EL and so CL next season, I'd still wouldnt hold back UNLESS the league form had shown a dramatic pick up. The league form doesnt lie. It's why there wouldve been fans at the end of last season wanting him out and so far they havent been proved wrong.
Players don't really care about who's in charge to be honest. They might have a sense of comradely duty towards their teammates, they might like certain managers more than others, but they're still mostly playing for their own career advancement and personal pride. What happens to a particular manager as a result is just an incidental side effect.
This means that they'll neither sabotage the team just to get rid of a manager, nor will they move mountains just to keep a manager in the job. They as a group are mostly indifferent. So I'd argue that the decision to sack/back a manager shouldn't depend on how players feel about the guy. It's not their job or decision, keep them out of it.
That being said, a board's and players' attitude towards a particular manager often align because they're both based on results more than anything else. Managers that are well-liked by their players and respective boards are the ones that get good/consistent results. Those that "lose the dressing room" and get the sack are the ones who, for one reason or another, can't get results.
Things are getting conducive towards going on a run after NLD, he has to take this chance. This alleged support of players won't save him in the long run, rightfully so.
This means that they'll neither sabotage the team just to get rid of a manager, nor will they move mountains just to keep a manager in the job. They as a group are mostly indifferent. So I'd argue that the decision to sack/back a manager shouldn't depend on how players feel about the guy. It's not their job or decision, keep them out of it.
That being said, a board's and players' attitude towards a particular manager often align because they're both based on results more than anything else. Managers that are well-liked by their players and respective boards are the ones that get good/consistent results. Those that "lose the dressing room" and get the sack are the ones who, for one reason or another, can't get results.
Things are getting conducive towards going on a run after NLD, he has to take this chance. This alleged support of players won't save him in the long run, rightfully so.
Why can't it be all 3?
I'm still none the wiser why it was offensive to say he changed his name by choice though
This isn't a realistic scenario, at all...in fact what is likely to happen going on our yearly form is that we will finish firmly in mid table under the manager.
Performances like the Liverpool one with half our team missing doesn't point to anywhere near relegation form or being relegated - let's be serious. Even the Newcastle result performance will win you more than enough to go anywhere near a relegation battle.
I hate to break it to you but the club are doing everything to back him and the players are behind him...it seems some fans can't accept that - you're going have to deal with it I'm afraid.
Look just stop worrying about what might happen and when he may be sacked, it's a pointless exercise. You just got to expect him to be in charge until the end of the season...I know you have already decided that you're Ange out but hoping that he will get sacked is just wishful thinking, just stop worrying and dreaming about doomsday scenarios and chill out.
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Sorry this is nonsense, you haven't heard of players downing tools?
If the players hate the manager they will stop playing for him, there's literal previous examples of that happening in the Premier League and at this club.
Of course I've heard it, that doesn't mean it's not massively overstated. Most of the time it's a case of people projecting their own views about a manager towards players, involving all kinds of cherrypicking and confirmation bias.
"I don't like this Ange guy, so that must mean players shouldn't either. Let me go back to match footage and see what kind of an evidence I can find for this conviction of mine."
"I really like this Ange guy, so that must mean players should as well. Let me go back to match footage and see what kind of an evidence I can find for this conviction of mine".
These two are, most of the time, equally dubious approaches. Emphasis on "most".
Feel free to disagree.
Kind of you to give him permission to disagree.
I have no idea why Ange has been elevated to this revered status amongst our fan base. It’s genuinely absurd. In my 40 odd years of supporting the side, I’ve never known such a weird cult of personality to take over.
I don't revere him. I just don't see the point in sacking him this season unless we get close to relegation. Also I've never seen a more bonded team in the face of such inconsistent form. That alone has my curiosity.
Wasn’t suggesting you. Rather the legions of online Twitter ‘international tacticos’.
I bristle at the fact Ange has been cast as the saviour of this club. He’s a journeyman manager that peddles abstract nouns; bravery, passion, belief etc.
This fella is talking about playing out from the back as if it’s some form of newly discovered alchemy. It’s complete bollocks.
The Australian Tim Sherwood. He just needs to throw a few “Pashuns” into his sentences.
There is close to 0% chance of us getting relegated so yes you are being dramatic (OPTA have it at 1 in 1000).
No one is saying we will become world beaters when our first choice centre backs come back but you have just witnessed what a difference having a keeper who can play with his feet made to how we play and VDVs pace is just as important.
Everton, West Ham, United and Wolves were not in a rebuild process. Not the same case. Ange has warned that this would happen and the board apparently accepted it.
It's been one cup game mate. Let's hold our horses on the difference a keeper who can play with his feet makes until we get a decent run of PL games. I think your are hugely overexagerating the impact Kinsky will have. He might turn out to be better than Vicario but it's not going to be a game changer.
Our major issues have been the outfield team as opposed to a keeper.
You can't be serious ? You can't just call it a rebuild and then apparently it's ok to finish midtable or lower. We finished 5th last season. So all of a sudden his second season is a rebuild and we are bottom half? Nah not having that.
What does a rebuild even mean? Our squad is basically built. Yes we need some back up options and we need to improve our attack, but I'd argue there are only one or two positions we are lacking. That goes for every team in the league. So no, we aren't in a rebuild, that's just a ridiculosu excuse.
Ange was saying preseason we would be going for the title/CL, wanted to win every game. He never "warned this would happen". If he is saying that now it's because he's making excuses for his shit performance in the league.