They won't turn the team into world beaters but they will make some rotation possible and we won't be forced to play with ran to the ground players. Being in 4 competitions with 13ish players is impossible.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I know it's not realistic, you missed my point. I was saying that just because players "are behind the manager" it means fk all in the grand scheme of things, because if we were to keep losing, Ange would be sacked. He wouldn't be kept because the players like him.
I can just imagine Levy going "it's ok if we finish 16th, the players are behind Ange".
Yes, the fact the players seem to be behind him is probably the reason he hasn't been sacked yet, but that only lasts for so long. Eventually results can become untenable.
I hate to break it to you, but you have no evidence the club are doing everything to back him. We would be signing players anyway, because the club needs to. We've signed one young keeper so far this window, hardly proof to say the club are backing him. Even if we sign Muani or anyone else, they will be club signings not Ange signings.
The performance against Liverpool only pointed to us being competitive in a cup game. It won't be the first time a team wins in a cup but keeps losing in the league. Newcastle match was hardly vintage but we still lost, a worrying sign. At the end of the day, under Ange in the league we play well and mostly lose, and we play badly and lose. So the Liverpool win doesn't really mean much, we need results in the league.
I do agree that he will probably last until the end of the season, but at this stage that will be because it's a hassle changing manager mid season, as opposed to unwavering faith in Ange. I think the only way Ange is sacked now, as if results become untenable.
Unfortunately for us, if we continue the midtable form until the end of the season, then we will just have to deal with it, but if it does continue, I hope he's sacked as soon as the ref blows the whistle on the last game. I hope he wins us a cup in the meantime.
Anyway, I can't stop worrying until we start winning some league games
I know it's not realistic, you missed my point. I was saying that just because players "are behind the manager" it means fk all in the grand scheme of things, because if we were to keep losing, Ange would be sacked. He wouldn't be kept because the players like him.
I can just imagine Levy going "it's ok if we finish 16th, the players are behind Ange".
Yes, the fact the players seem to be behind him is probably the reason he hasn't been sacked yet, but that only lasts for so long. Eventually results can become untenable.
I hate to break it to you, but you have no evidence the club are doing everything to back him. We would be signing players anyway, because the club needs to. We've signed one young keeper so far this window, hardly proof to say the club are backing him. Even if we sign Muani or anyone else, they will be club signings not Ange signings.
The performance against Liverpool only pointed to us being competitive in a cup game. It won't be the first time a team wins in a cup but keeps losing in the league. Newcastle match was hardly vintage but we still lost, a worrying sign. At the end of the day, under Ange in the league we play well and mostly lose, and we play badly and lose. So the Liverpool win doesn't really mean much, we need results in the league.
I do agree that he will probably last until the end of the season, but at this stage that will be because it's a hassle changing manager mid season, as opposed to unwavering faith in Ange. I think the only way Ange is sacked now, as if results become untenable.
Unfortunately for us, if we continue the midtable form until the end of the season, then we will just have to deal with it, but if it does continue, I hope he's sacked as soon as the ref blows the whistle on the last game. I hope he wins us a cup in the meantime.
Anyway, I can't stop worrying until we start winning some league games
Mate if we finish mid table and he wins us a trophy it's very likely he's staying on until next season lol
Maybe. I think that would be a mistake. It would be crazy giving him another season after this league campaign, especially if we finish bottom half.
Our major issues have been playing out from the back and getting the team up the pitch and lacking composure when we have the ball hence why we keep giving away cheap goals.
It's abundantly CLEAR that we suffer when we don't have ball players in this team especially in the first phase which is the defensive 3rd the ball keeps coming back.
No idea why you're trying to turn this into a science - it's pretty simple get your better players on the pitch you win more matches.
Vicario/Kinsky Romero and VDV make a huge difference to this team mainly because you don't have Forster and Dragusin trying to play out all the time...to deny that is just being completely stubborn and ignorant.
I think your understating the drop off from playing Forster in goals for around 10 games in a row! The drop off was absurd in terns of playing out from the back and being a team confident in possession. That's a big part of our game and we lost it completely for most of that period.
It's mental how people cannot (or refuse to) see it, we saw the difference Kinsky made against Liverpool who are structurally very good without the ball, particularly how they kept setting traps for us when we had the ball in the 6-3...Kinsky kept beating their press particularly in the first half because he was chipping accurate balls to our players and at times came out as an extra outfield player.
I don't want to pile on Fraser, but you can add a few goals he let in that I have no doubt either Vic or Tony would have stopped. His reaction time understandably is way off.
Have a look at the Larsen goal when Wolves equalised. 2 points dropped right there in the 88th minute.
Yeah and shot stopping wasn't even his main weakness for us. His lack of confidence on the ball gave the whole team the jitters. For me that entire period is a complete write off! The next few months will tell us exactly where we are at under Ange
Did you misread what I said? I was talking about keeper. Vicario or Kinsky I don’t think one will make much difference over the other and we are yet to know if he’s actually better than vicario. Of course either make a huge difference as opposed to Forster!
Of course VDV and Romero coming back will make a difference. When did I say otherwise? I’m just saying that results were poor even with them so there might just be marginal improvement.
Again. I was talking about the difference between either Vicario or Kinsky. Not Forster.
Did you misread what I said? I said that Vicario or Kinsky do make a major difference to the way we play out from the back and that's the reason why we are conceding goals because the ball keeps coming back, having a keeper who is comfortable with the ball means your defenders aren't second guessing whether the keeper is going to kick it into his own net or pass the ball to an attacker.
Ok so If you think VDV and Romero coming back will make a difference why do you keep taking about relegation and choosing to believe those doomsday scenarios, you quoted a post which said there is 0 chance of being relegated but you seem to be adamant it could still happen even though you have just said we are likely to finish mid table?
3 completions if out of caraboa?
Didn’t he say he didn’t change tactics or be more pragmatic in his post match? He basically said it was circumstances of the gane which kind of determined how we played. For some reason he is loath to admit that he may have change tactics and approach. However he kind of boxed himself into a corner when last season he said “this is who we are”.
I know it's not realistic, you missed my point. I was saying that just because players "are behind the manager" it means fk all in the grand scheme of things, because if we were to keep losing, Ange would be sacked. He wouldn't be kept because the players like him.
I can just imagine Levy going "it's ok if we finish 16th, the players are behind Ange".
Yes, the fact the players seem to be behind him is probably the reason he hasn't been sacked yet, but that only lasts for so long. Eventually results can become untenable.
I hate to break it to you, but you have no evidence the club are doing everything to back him. We would be signing players anyway, because the club needs to. We've signed one young keeper so far this window, hardly proof to say the club are backing him. Even if we sign Muani or anyone else, they will be club signings not Ange signings.
The performance against Liverpool only pointed to us being competitive in a cup game. It won't be the first time a team wins in a cup but keeps losing in the league. Newcastle match was hardly vintage but we still lost, a worrying sign. At the end of the day, under Ange in the league we play well and mostly lose, and we play badly and lose. So the Liverpool win doesn't really mean much, we need results in the league.
I do agree that he will probably last until the end of the season, but at this stage that will be because it's a hassle changing manager mid season, as opposed to unwavering faith in Ange. I think the only way Ange is sacked now, as if results become untenable.
Unfortunately for us, if we continue the midtable form until the end of the season, then we will just have to deal with it, but if it does continue, I hope he's sacked as soon as the ref blows the whistle on the last game. I hope he wins us a cup in the meantime.
Anyway, I can't stop worrying until we start winning some league games
"You have no evidence" then proceeds to say a tonne of stuff like it's fact that you have no evidence for.
It will 100% make a huge huge difference.
A keeper that can pass with confidence and break a teams high press will be an absolute game changer for how we play. If you can't understand or see that then what are we even talking about here? You clearly don't have a read on our tactics
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Great post! People like Richard and Pedro are in cookou land. The 4 trans around us have sacked their managers. I think Everton may have had a better calendar year than us in 24. We need to pick up some points otherwise the pressure will be on and we know how well spurs traditionally handle pressure. It is tight in the bottom half of the table. If we don’t get anything v goons then manure will climb above us as they play soton. Even spam and palace could catch us. For spurs to in 15th place would be shocking. Given the amount spent, 18 months in with Ange and his tactics, the talk of a title challenge never mind top 4/5. Absolute disgrace we have come down to this level and been overtaken by lesser teams and clubs. It’s really not acceptable but only for the blinkered.
A complete write off ?
. Strange take . I think it’s quite evident where we are. A mid table PL team . It’s not nice to admit, considering weve been around the CL places for the last 9 years. You can deny it all you like but that’s the reality.
Watch the Danalyst show where they go over his coaching and his tactics based on his comments. It’s all wish washy BS with no substance.
Ange said this season the aim was to go for the title.