Enic will never sell why we are down. They will want top dollar so will only sell if we are flying high. Think Catch 22
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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People want warm lies, I deal in cold truths.Brave for posting that in here, I would have hit them with this after a win personally.
To the Evangelist thread
It makes them feel better to believe this is all the manager’s fault and it would be better under a different coach.
I don’t really care when or why I say what I see because it’s true, inconvenient or not.
We were 10th before any real injuries hit.
Having given Crystal Palace their first win.
Throwing away 2:0 lead to Brighton. And then totally shat the pants against Ipswich. At home.
So try again.
We were garbage with fully fit squad as well.
After Ipswich game we had 1,45 ppg, corresponding to 55 points per season which is 8th to 11th place finish.
Also you really don't get that injury crisis is result of Ange actions, do you?
Who:
- made a decision to throw in TWO starting XI CB's after injury lay-off IN ONE GAME, just to see them both get reinjured? Result of Ange decisions.
- made a decision that it is good idea to never use Djed Spence for roughly half a season and play Udogie and Porro to the ground. Now one injured, other playing really poorly. Result of Ange decisions.
- made a decision that Kulusevski must play full 90 minutes and Solanke 82 minutes vs Southampton when we were leading 5:0 (!) by half time?!?
- gives direction to players to go on 100% every moment, making us team that restarts the play with by far the shortest delay of any teams in winning position. Effectively deciding to take time for recovery off from our players? Result of Ange decisions.
I have never seen anything similar to that before Ange time.
And now I see players dropping like flies for 2nd season in a row.
How blind you have to be not to see a direct link here?
He is just not even half qualified to manage on that league. And gets outsmarted on consistent basis by managers that are roughly half his age (literally - Hürzerel as Brighton manager was 31 when he outsmarted Postecoglu who is 59, to win it from 2:0 down) ?
I think the loss of Richy, Moore, and Odobert has been almost as bad as losing the CBs. Forwards need to rest and rotate in a pressing system. The whole system is built around defending from the front and knackered Son/Kulu/Solanke can’t do that
Then at least we've tried to stop it?
Better than doing nothing and just letting it happen anyway
Ah you mean like with Harry Redknapp? After we won the League Cup, sold Keane and Berbatov at the end of the summer transfer window, replaced them both with Frazer Campbell and then started to scratch our heads, 'wha's going on' before blaming Ramos for being a shite manager and his 'Titantic' run of 2pts from 8 games
Look into my eyes...
You said we pressed them off the park until Bentancur injury.
Which stopped game roughly on 8th minute mark.
I indeed was happy. Specially for Bergvall for scoring his first goal for us!
But I also knew than and know now that this was half time not the full match.
Magic Eight Ball says Unlikely
Don't worry when he's eventually let out of jail he'll go back and quote it, he's probably got his response lined up in his drafts as we speak and is counting down the days until he can unleash his wrath, can't wait!
Why Mason and not Matty Wells who is now above Mason in the hierarchy.
Didn’t we have Bent and Pavlyuchenko and there was some theory they couldn’t play together. The start of that season was comedic.Ah you mean like with Harry Redknapp? After we won the League Cup, sold Keane and Berbatov at the end of the summer transfer window, replaced them both with Frazer Campbell and then started to scratch our heads, 'wha's going on' before blaming Ramos for being a shite manager and his 'Titantic' run of 2pts from 8 games
Look into my eyes...
I’ll go with the chart instead of the league position because the league table was so tight at that stage, 1 result was the difference between 10th and 3rd.We were 10th before any real injuries hit.
Having given Crystal Palace their first win.
Throwing away 2:0 lead to Brighton. And then totally shat the pants against Ipswich. At home.
So try again.
We were garbage with fully fit squad as well.
After Ipswich game we had 1,45 ppg, corresponding to 55 points per season which is 8th to 11th place finish.
Also you really don't get that injury crisis is result of Ange actions, do you?
Who:
- made a decision to throw in TWO starting XI CB's after injury lay-off IN ONE GAME, just to see them both get reinjured? Result of Ange decisions.
- made a decision that it is good idea to never use Djed Spence for roughly half a season and play Udogie and Porro to the ground. Now one injured, other playing really poorly. Result of Ange decisions.
- made a decision that Kulusevski must play full 90 minutes and Solanke 82 minutes vs Southampton when we were leading 5:0 (!) by half time?!?
- gives direction to players to go on 100% every moment, making us team that restarts the play with by far the shortest delay of any teams in winning position. Effectively deciding to take time for recovery off from our players? Result of Ange decisions.
I have never seen anything similar to that before Ange time.
And now I see players dropping like flies for 2nd season in a row.
How blind you have to be not to see a direct link here?
He is just not even half qualified to manage on that league. And gets outsmarted on consistent basis by managers that are roughly half his age (literally - Hürzerel as Brighton manager was 31 when he outsmarted Postecoglu who is 59, to win it from 2:0 down) ?
Ange has made mistakes but some of those I find difficult to evaluate without all the information to hand. What you are doing in that post is assuming the missing information and taking an emotional position as a result.
You really think we’d be 15th if we didn’t lose half our squad for 2 months?
We did not "lose" Romero and VDV to accidental injury.
They left the field in their first game after coming back from previous injury!
It was absurd gamble and both of them are 100% injured as a result of Ange decision.
As was freezing out Spence to play Porro and Udogie every possible moment. Which has left one of them injured and other just awfully run down form.
I agree that Vicario and Bentancur issues have been full freak-stuff. Meaning no one could have prevented them in any way though.
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Apart from VdV, they were all playing when we lost at home to Ipswich. There have been some truly terrible results and performances, injuries or not.
Which is why, with extra injuries, Ange's team plays like a relegation candidate. Contrast that with how Iraola has coped with injuries at Bournemouth.
It seems pretty clear at this point that Ange ain't figuring out anything.
Because most fans have no idea who Matty Wells is. They only really know Mason from the coaching staff since he's been interim twice before.
Heard it a few times now too but never saw anything official about it.Hulk
I've heard a couple of times lately you lose your season ticket if you miss 3 games. I've had a season ticket since 2017 and never seen that anywhere.
I tend to go to games if I can't sell my ticket.
I was thinking that fans could easily protest by going to the game but not going to their seat.
I'd be up for that. Watch it in the foyer. No food or drink. Thousands of empty seats.
They can't say we didn't show up. But it would look embarrassing on TV cameras.
100% fans should do that or walk away from their seats in the 24th minute every game until they get the fucking message. Fans need to show the world that its unacceptable and we have been lied to for years now about how the new stadium would generate funds to go into the team and catch us up to the real top clubs.
Postecoglou on thin ice at Tottenham but Levy still hoping for turnaround
The Tottenham manager looks set to stay on for upcoming games against Hoffenheim and Leicester, with Daniel Levy taking injuries into account despite the team’s poor runwww.theguardian.com
Fucking hell. Levy really is clueless. Explains a lot. Levy is hanging his hat on the freak City away result, and seems to genuinely think when the injuries clear up, Ange is the man to take us to success. Levy is an absolute moron when it comes to football. He is genuinely completely clueless
Yeah we're fucked. Our chairman has completely bought the bullshit and actually thinks the injuries are why we are where we are, and that Ange's football will lead us to success. Fuck me. By the time it actually clicks with the evil bald dwarf, we'll be even lower in the table.
Having visions of the band playing on as the Titanic went down.
And he can't sell while we're up, as the price is too high.
That my friend is text book catch 22.
Owning the club would have to become a liability IMO. That's the only way they ever leave.
It was for 8 minutes but we probably should have scored 2 goals in that 8 minute spell. They were turning the ball over in very dangerous positions
Can we appoint this Eight Ball as the next manager?
Oh, you mean the full 8 minutes? :O
I was just about to make a joke about celebrating stuff after half time (where this tie exactly is), but it seems that even less than 10 minutes is enough.
I keep hearing about "pressing off the park" from those positive about Ange. But it is exactly at that pressing moment when just one misplaced pass often leads to us giving opposition the goal. Specially if they have lethal players like Pool does.
Also, once again -> 4 weaker players compared to their best XI.
We scored on 84th and in terms of xG they were on top 1,32 vs 0,98. But ofc we totally demolished them. Sure thing
xG is meaningless to me. A total BS stat. Actual goals are what matter.
We didn’t demolish them, but we played well against them. The performance was substantially better than when we lost 6-3.
Ah you mean like with Harry Redknapp? After we won the League Cup, sold Keane and Berbatov at the end of the summer transfer window, replaced them both with Frazer Campbell and then started to scratch our heads, 'wha's going on' before blaming Ramos for being a shite manager and his 'Titantic' run of 2pts from 8 games
Look into my eyes...
Wait, are you saying it was a bad move to sack Ramos for Redknapp and that it was selling Berbatov that was the problem, not Ramos?
Or am I reading it wrong.