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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Because we've only sold Harry Kane once, FFS. Do you think we get to sell him every summer?!

If we can, I agree, we should. That will definitely help increase revenue.

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So you'll just not engage with the fact that our net transfer spend was higher in the Kane selling summer than this last summer?

Dear me, you're having a rough go.

The other thing that's jumping out at me with regard to your narrative that "rolling failure to achieve CL qualification is going to squeeze us on PSR" is that the three year window you've displayed there is one where we made the CL once, were knocked out in the group stage of the Conference League in another, and had no Europe at all in a third.

Significant net transfer fee expenditures in all three seasons as well.

Net position versus PSR requirements: PLUS 188 GODDAMN MILLION
 
So you'll just not engage with the fact that our net transfer spend was higher in the Kane selling summer than this last summer?

Dear me, you're having a rough go.

The other thing that's jumping out at me with regard to your narrative that "rolling failure to achieve CL qualification is going to squeeze us on PSR" is that the three year window you've displayed there is one where we made the CL once, were knocked out in the group stage of the Conference League in another, and had no Europe at all in a third.

Significant net transfer fee expenditures in all three seasons as well.

Net position versus PSR requirements: PLUS 188 GODDAMN MILLION
I literally made the comment that somehow there's a player trading profit of £101 when it's widely reported we had a net spend (loss) of that during that summer. Thus, it's clear the financial mechanics had to be that we got the Kane payment in a large up front sum, and most of our outgoing payments for the players we bought were deferred.

This means that we have large player trading expenditures from that summer which are outstanding and will begin to show up on the books as losses in the next couple of filings. On top of the past summers significant net spend, and any future player trading.

I'm not really sure how you're missing this - are you thinking that we've somehow just waved a magic wand and turned a £100M net spend into a £100M profit the summer we sold Kane and none of that expenditure was pushed forward as a debt bomb waiting to burst?

Anyway, I'm really not going to continue arguing accounting with you. As I said, I'll happily wager you that our next 2 FY filings reflect significant PSR losses which will wipe out the FY 23-24 posted PSR profit. If you really believe you're right, here's your chance.
 
I'm guessing this has already been said but surely Ange now has an insurmountable credibility issue as a Premier League manager?

I think the majority of Spurs supporters wanted him to succeed initially but there have been varying degrees of believing in the possibility of Ange succeeding at Spurs as time has passed and results have deteriorated.

Ange has lost too many games to continue beyond the end of this season and has now become a dead man walking.

The board not sacking him after losing to Everton and Leicester can only mean one thing in my opinion.

They either can't, or are unwilling, to do any serious, long term transfer business in this window.

Levy's waiting for the window to close before he sacks Ange.
Danny Murphy summed it up perfectly on talk sport. He questioned the team that works with Ange about whether they can see the deficiencies all the pundits can see in our formation and tactics. If everyone can see the issues why can’t any of the coaching team? No point asking if Ange can see it as he has his head so far up his ‘philosophy’ it’s pointless.
 
I literally made the comment that somehow there's a player trading profit of £101 when it's widely reported we had a net spend (loss) of that during that summer. Thus, it's clear the financial mechanics had to be that we got the Kane payment in a large up front sum, and most of our outgoing payments for the players we bought were deferred.

This means that we have large player trading expenditures from that summer which are outstanding and will begin to show up on the books as losses in the next couple of filings. On top of the past summers significant net spend, and any future player trading.

I'm not really sure how you're missing this - are you thinking that we've somehow just waved a magic wand and turned a £100M net spend into a £100M profit the summer we sold Kane and none of that expenditure was pushed forward as a debt bomb waiting to burst?

Anyway, I'm really not going to continue arguing accounting with you. As I said, I'll happily wager you that our next 2 FY filings reflect significant PSR losses which will wipe out the FY 23-24 posted PSR profit. If you really believe you're right, here's your chance.
Mate, you’ve been schooled, take the lesson.
 
MOTD2 post match analysis is great. A perfect example of how he has hung a player, this time Bentancur, out to dry with his tactics. He is basically a one man midfield as the other two are so far up the pitch and he cant cover the ground in time back and forth across the pitch time and again.

Honestly, he is just so bad of a manager. Something else about how we are set up is highlighted time and again. And if the BBC can do it you can bet every PL club with all their coaching staff and analysists can do too. Hence why everyone keeps beating us!
Just posted something similar that everyone can see why can’t someone within the setup see it. Maybe the players need revolt and do something about it themselves.
 
Mate, you’ve been schooled, take the lesson.

Has he? This is all so irrelevant..

Ange isn’t 16th because of our wages relative to revenue or transfer spend. Or where we are at with PSR.

This thread should be about HIS failings, which are insanely extensive and separate from the boards many failings. The resources he’s been provided with far exceed the level he’s achieving.
 
I mean, he doesn't coach. He isn't a hands on trainer. He isn't even a hands on man manager. He has no relationship with the players. He's a naturally awkward bloke. He loves the sound of his own voice. He always speaks in this way that is so full of shit, and morons buy into what he says. He's a spinster. An absolute chancer who is totally blagging it.

I actually thought, his team talk video which was posted when he was appointed, was cringe as fk. I looked passed it because I wanted to believe in him, but when it quickly unravelled I always thought to myself, nah something seems off.
This. In 18 months, I have never, NEVER, seen him mention one word about tactics.

Slot, within 5 minutes of him arriving at Liverpool, was happily talking about his back 4 positioning change at half time against Ipswich to exploit the press, explaining to the reporter how their positioning was important for when they lose the ball.

Pep: look at Pep's eyes light up when he gets asked a tactical question by a reporter. He's so obsessed with this sport he spends 10 minutes at the end of games chatting to opposition players, presumably about what they could have done better on the pitch, or what he liked about their game. He lives the sport, he lives tactics, and you can see that in the results he gets.

Arteta: was handpicked by Pep to be his coach because he's just as obsessed with football. Famously they spent an hour discussing tactics after one of the games when Arteta was still a player. And again you can see that in what he's done for Woolwich over the past 5 years.

Go through the list. Emery, tactics obsessed, turned Villa from relegation into CL regulars. Howe, already a hugely accomplished manager having taken Bournemouth up 4 divisions, but he wasn't satisfied with that so in his sabbatical after Bournemouth went and studied under Simeone - because he's a smart, curious man who loves the sport and likes learning. Since then he's taken Newcastle from relegation to the CL.

Smart men, interest in the game, deep thinkers about the sport, and they get results.

Then you have our muppet. Never utters a word about positioning, tactical adjustments, pressing, structure, never says a single insightful thing about the sport he spends all day watching. Just the same old guff about effort, being together as a team.

Has he ever made a good tactical change in his life, a substitution where you've felt "yeah, this guy really gets what he's seeing on the pitch"? No. It's "oh we're losing, better sub our entire midfield" - something no competent manager has ever done in the history of this sport as far as I'm aware.

And Dier famously said he doesn't do any tactics. People wrote this off back then - is anyone surprised about it now?

It's becoming eminently clear this man is a pub level manager, who doesn't think deeply about this sport one iota. He'd be on a building site if he wasn't involved in the game. He's a charlatan of the highest order. And is absolutely sinking this club right now, and has hoodwinked half the fanbase in the process.
 
The only reason I can see that he's not had his marching orders yet, is because we are still in the cups. I've come to that conclusion because the Board have given him no support in this transfer window, when we are crying out for some reinforcements. Therefore the blame has to be on both Ange and the Board.
The only way I can see us avoiding the drop is that three other teams are worse than us, even then it'll be nail-biting stuff until the very end.
What a sorry situation we find ourselves in, an absolute disgrace that it has been allowed to come to pass.
A very fair , balanced and reasoned argument. What the hell is wrong with you, you know we don’t do that on here.

Where is the irrational vitriol and spite and ill conceived agendas , you really must try harder. I was really tempted to give you a disagree for a laugh but then

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I literally made the comment that somehow there's a player trading profit of £101 when it's widely reported we had a net spend (loss) of that during that summer. Thus, it's clear the financial mechanics had to be that we got the Kane payment in a large up front sum, and most of our outgoing payments for the players we bought were deferred.

This means that we have large player trading expenditures from that summer which are outstanding and will begin to show up on the books as losses in the next couple of filings. On top of the past summers significant net spend, and any future player trading.

I'm not really sure how you're missing this - are you thinking that we've somehow just waved a magic wand and turned a £100M net spend into a £100M profit?

Anyway, I'm really not going to continue arguing accounting with you. As I said, I'll happily wager you that our next 2 FY filings reflect significant PSR losses which will wipe out the FY 23-24 posted PSR profit. If you really believe you're right, here's your chance.
I don't want to be a chickenshit, but as we both understand and you rightly observe, all manner of funny business can be played with the timing and amortization of moves, the 24-25 figure can be essentially whatever the club would like it to be, and the actual PSR figure isn't public anyway. There's nothing to bet on. The club's filings will of course report a paper loss because of the stadium amortization.

But just as a matter of interpretation of the Swiss Ramble numbers (for whom I have great respect), they also show a player trading profit in the prior two seasons where we also had significant net spends.

I don't know exactly how he's doing his accounting, but "that 101 figure is just the Kane money" clearly isn't it. If you'd like to disagree I'm all ears to how you get to those small profits the prior two seasons.

But mostly I just want to loop back to the first comment you made that got me all riled.

We're going to be making decisions on players based as much on PSR as squad needs soon, and it's going to be down to how disastrous the past 18 months have been.
When a three year period with one CL, one group stage knockout in the conference league, and one no Europe, plus a transfer fee net spend in excess of 100M in each of the three seasons leaves us with 188 million MORE of headroom, I don't think that quoted statement is a fair or accurate or reasonable thing to say.

It is obvious, any way you slice it, that the level of backing we've given Conte and Ange is indefinitely PSR sustainable without European football.

Every club in the league makes decisions based on PSR now, that's the game we now play. But no club has now OR FOR ANY FORSEEABLE FUTURE more flexibility on that score than Spurs. We have greater scope to focus on squad needs than anybody else.

(So long as we don't get fucking relegated that is, of course)
 
Rooster Rooster just pulled a load of shit out his arse with that post.

Nuno… it was 15 points from 10 games (5wins 5losses) not 18games and 26points as he claimed.

Then gets all aggro when rightly called out on the Conte bit.
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Perfect example of where you need to actually read the continued posts when it is not posted towards you.
Plus, I'm not like those losers who deletes their post. I'm a man! That post will stay there forever! Feel free to roast me you cuntz!
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A very fair , balanced and reasoned argument. What the hell is wrong with you, you know we don’t do that on here.

Where is the irrational vitriol and spite and ill conceived agendas , you really must try harder. I was really tempted to give you a disagree for a laugh but then

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I wasn't feeling fair, balanced or reasoned on Sunday afternoon, I can tell you.
After games like that, I don't post much, as I might say something I really shouldn't.
 
"What's up Skippy? Ange has fallen down a mine shaft? Well fucking leave him there! MATE!!"

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Remember that story when he joined that one of his previous players told about sitting next to him for 24 hours on a plane and Ange didnt say a word to him?

From what we know of him now paints a different picture of the man from when we laughed about it back in 2023.
Nine different Skippy's were used in filming. They were changing them out at about the rate Spurs change managers.
 
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