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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
kingdawson said:
"further discussion" my arse.

Shadydan Shadydan whole shtick here is as follows:

1) initially after a bad result he will tell everyone that the managers tactics are cooked, that Ange can't lose that game and survive, that we should pray for Ange.

2) He will then wait it out a few days and then proceeded to start posting positively about Ange again.


The guy openly stated we had to win both the Everton game and the Leicester game for Ange to survive then stated he "changed his mind" a few days after losing to Everton.

The guy stated the fanbase are cooked and "losers" for thinking we are in a relegation battle (literally "lol'ing at any post that said we can be sucked into the relegation battle) only to tell us not even two weeks later that we are in a relationship battle to suit the argument he was having at the time. When questioned he says he "changed his mind" again.

His whole shtick is to get a reaction. I don't even know what he actually believes because he keeps saying "he's changed his mind". Just don't engage if you want any sort of honest opinion tbh.
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Just stick him on ignore. Makes the whole forum experience much nicer.

He logs in purely to argue, his position on any given subject depends on who he's talking to and what reaction he thinks he can get. Frankly it's boring.
 
Nothing would be more Spurs than having one of our worst seasons ever yet still win a trophy and qualify for champions league. Logically I wouldn’t bet on it. Especially based on the last two PL games. But sports are crazy and unpredictable. It’s not any more far fetched than our run to the CL final where post Christmas our form was pretty poor after selling Dembele. We’re one of the favorites for Europa and certainly have a fighting chance against Pool if we can get some players back. We’ve shown the ability to play a little ugly at times in tournament ball under Ange. That’s what makes tournaments so random sometimes is you can have completely different squads throughout the run. If we actually have a full strength squad we’ve shown that we can play with anyone. Not saying we are faultless then because we’ve still had some disappointing results. But tournament football doesn’t punish those as much if you time it right. We’ve finished 5-8th without trophies. Maybe this year will atleast be something different.
 
SpursRomania said:
I said "like 50%" as in approximately…

I looked it up and we played 8 games, lost 3, won 4. That is 37.5% loss percentage. In a whole season, it’s 14 losses.
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19 wins and 14 losses that's 33 matches and the rest is 5 draws, that's like 62 points in total, not great but nowhere near the bottom half of the table which is the point. :nunothumb:
 
SpursRomania said:
Yeah 62 points which gets you 7th most of the time. Such a great achievement for the best manager the world has ever seen.
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I mean this is a strawman, no-one has said this, please stop being childish.

You're refusing to acknowledge the basic point about his back 5 and their playing time together but okay that's on you, if you want to stick your two fingers in your ears and ignore blatant evidence then your clearly an agenda monkey.
 
Shadydan said:
I mean this is a strawman, no-one has said this, please stop being childish.

You're refusing to acknowledge the basic point about his back 5 and their playing time together but okay that's on you, if you want to stick your two fingers in your ears and ignore blatant evidence then your clearly an agenda monkey.
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The point is we’re not bottom half when everyone is fit? Wow I’m shocked, never thought about it. But the tweet said "how good we were" which is not true. In an ideal world, stats say we’d finish 7th or so which is still underwhelming considering we finished 5th last season and the expectation was mostly top 4. But we don’t live in an ideal world and pretty much all the teams lose players to injuries and that’s when a manager has to find solutions or those who hired him give him more tools to do his job.
 
Shadydan said:
This is not being called a contrarian, it's being open minded!

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with changing your opinion from time to time, like for example a week ago I didn't believe we were in a relegation battle because I thought we'd do enough to get points against Everton and Leicester but we didn't and now we are and now I agree, aint nothing wrong with that is there?

Also there is such a thing called nuance, like you can believe that the manager's tactics are flawed yet at the same time acknowledge that he is suffering a massive injury crisis, too many people in here just straight up lie and will do anything to go against factual evidence just because it doesn't suit the narrative they're trying to push.

This place is like a bit of a youth club - Why the need to pick a side in here, it's like some sort of allegiance Levy in, Levy out, Ange in, Ange out, it's mental lmao
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It just seems you're way too interested in going against the grain tbh. You seperate yourself from the "fanbase" at every opportunity with these comments about the "fanbase being cooked" and continuously saying "you lot" or Ange outers group or whatever it was etc etc.

Going against the grain can be good if its a genuine feeling and you actually mean what youre saying but not when your honest opinion isn't even really clear its just weird. Just seems getting a reaction is the primary goal.

Changing your opinion is also fine in the example you gave if you genuinely mean it but saying the manager should not stay if we don't win two games...we then proceed to lose the first of those games...and days later "I've changed my mind". That's just really fishy and indicates you just want reactions and to continue this 'me against the world' bollocks.
 
Klaus said:
This. In 18 months, I have never, NEVER, seen him mention one word about tactics.

Slot, within 5 minutes of him arriving at Liverpool, was happily talking about his back 4 positioning change at half time against Ipswich to exploit the press, explaining to the reporter how their positioning was important for when they lose the ball.

Pep: look at Pep's eyes light up when he gets asked a tactical question by a reporter. He's so obsessed with this sport he spends 10 minutes at the end of games chatting to opposition players, presumably about what they could have done better on the pitch, or what he liked about their game. He lives the sport, he lives tactics, and you can see that in the results he gets.

Arteta: was handpicked by Pep to be his coach because he's just as obsessed with football. Famously they spent an hour discussing tactics after one of the games when Arteta was still a player. And again you can see that in what he's done for Woolwich over the past 5 years.

Go through the list. Emery, tactics obsessed, turned Villa from relegation into CL regulars. Howe, already a hugely accomplished manager having taken Bournemouth up 4 divisions, but he wasn't satisfied with that so in his sabbatical after Bournemouth went and studied under Simeone - because he's a smart, curious man who loves the sport and likes learning. Since then he's taken Newcastle from relegation to the CL.

Smart men, interest in the game, deep thinkers about the sport, and they get results.

Then you have our muppet. Never utters a word about positioning, tactical adjustments, pressing, structure, never says a single insightful thing about the sport he spends all day watching. Just the same old guff about effort, being together as a team.

Has he ever made a good tactical change in his life, a substitution where you've felt "yeah, this guy really gets what he's seeing on the pitch"? No. It's "oh we're losing, better sub our entire midfield" - something no competent manager has ever done in the history of this sport as far as I'm aware.

And Dier famously said he doesn't do any tactics. People wrote this off back then - is anyone surprised about it now?

It's becoming eminently clear this man is a pub level manager, who doesn't think deeply about this sport one iota. He'd be on a building site if he wasn't involved in the game. He's a charlatan of the highest order. And is absolutely sinking this club right now, and has hoodwinked half the fanbase in the process.
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Harry Potter Lol GIF by Sky
 
kingdawson said:
It just seems you're way too interested in going against the grain tbh. You seperate yourself from the "fanbase" at every opportunity with these comments about the "fanbase being cooked" and continuously saying "you lot" or Ange outers group or whatever it was etc etc.

Going against the grain can be good if its a genuine feeling and you actually mean what youre saying but not when your honest opinion isn't even really clear its just weird. Just seems getting a reaction is the primary goal.

Changing your opinion is also fine in the example you gave if you genuinely mean it but saying the manager should not stay if we don't win two games...we then proceed to lose the first of those games...and days later "I've changed my mind". That's just really fishy and indicates you just want reactions and to continue this 'me against the world' bollocks.
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Good summation but nah
 
Arthur Wensleydale said:
Ange firmly believes that when everyone is back we will be flying, but those same players and probably others will get injured again.
His system practically guarantees it. This could be our most chaotic seasons for many years.
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We weren’t flying when all those players were fit. We will be better, it’s hard not to be. But it’s still going to be a team with very little consistency defensively. I don’t think him and his coaches have it in them to fix that.
 
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