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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Did agree with Ange about media going in tough on us and mentioning liverpool having bad result. Them, gooners, man u are untouchable by media and pundits slamming them. However villa lost both their centre-backs yesterday. Think ange will go end of season.
We may all think whatever we want about Ange, and what he said at that presser.

BUT finally a Spurs manager calling out the press/pundits for what they are, biased, Spurs-hating, fanboy cunts!!!

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Gardening leave would surely mean paying out his contract in full? Guess if we sack him it’s the same case. Ange can just refuse to go I guess which essentially adds up to the same conclusion.

Yes and no. You can tell an employee to take time off on full pay pending further discussions.
Once you've paid them, you've paid them.
The benefit of the former is that you can quickly remove them from the role and replace them, whilst considering the best/most economical way to terminate their employment.
For example, we could agree to continue to pay him monthly until such time his contract runs out OR he finds other employment.
He could feasible get another job 2 weeks later and we don't need to carry on paying his multimillion pound salary.


So it looks like he is going to get the Utd game at least then.

We've got all week for once. I wouldn't expect much to happen this morning after a Sunday evening game.

Poch's sacking was announced in the evening on a Tuesday (Nov 19th)
IIRC his last game was Sheff Unitfled on the 9th and there was an international break.
So 10 days from his last game.
Don't expect Postenoclue to get sacked less than 24 hours after his last poor showing.
 
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Here we go again. This starts with a Bentancur turnover, but notice how 6 players are caught behind the play in the blink of an eye. Including 3 CMs -players closest to the ball- that start sprinting back at full speed to salvage the situation. More importantly, look at all that space in the centre of the pitch. Literally 2 seconds later, it turns into this;

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This time defensive line is higher up the pitch so the gap in between is not as big as it was during that Tielemans miss in the 17th minute. But still, the player running with the ball is almost guaranteed to have a decent go at it in a few seconds. In fact that's what happens;

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This is Sunday league stuff. It's virtually impossible to concede less than 2 a match defending like this. Since no manager will have his team score around 3 a match at this level, achieving any kind of sustainable success with this kind of coaching is a pipedream. Numbers don't add up.
 
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So, noticed that Ange has “Life Water” in his presser. Thought to myself “Oh, maybe they are changing, let’s look up what this water is…”.

After 10minutes search, it’s only really available on eBay… then there is no mineral/ingredient listing, apart from one which shows zero on everything (but doesn’t list nitrate), no pH value (usually a water such as distilled will be slightly acidic, however has potential health benefits as being the “Wettest water”, empty, so have more binding potential to waste, but when used by athletes that is very sophisticated and needs to be on R&R days with high amounts of mineral foods of whole food based supplements to restock the alkaline minerals this will deplete whilst removing waste).

Searched “Life Water Mineral Composition” and literally can’t find anything, now maybe this is Villas water given to him, but if so it shows no understanding or knowledge in this vital area, so a lose anyway.

We are rubbish. Get Icelandic, get Kangen, Choose Life.
 
Simply can not believe he's still in employment. I don't even like the guy, particularly after his comments before Woolwich at home last year. He's one grumpy, tetchy, aloof bastard, and cracking the odd joke doesn't disguise it. Could tolerate his personality if he was in any way competent, but we are a shambles under him.
 
if we can't get Xavi then who would be your next pick?

Yeah it's a tough one.

They don't have long to do it if they are going to make a change without sabotaging the new guy before he starts. So, it needs to be an unemployed one otherwise they will just fuck about negotiating the buyout from the club.

Terzic is out of work and coming from Dortmund you know he's used to the culture of trusting young players. I know he fell out with the Dortmund players over tactics at the end and it all went the same way as Poch did for us but that's the dice you probably have to roll if you are going to do it.
 
So it looks like he is going to get the Utd game at least then.
The double whammy of Spurs depression, watching another 90 minutes of absolute dross, and then the aftershock 24 hours later when you realise that this clown will still be picking the side for the next match.
Here are some games where we had Romero and VDV.

Wolves (h) 1-2
Newcastle (a) 4-0
Woolwich (h) 2-3
Chelsea (a) 2-0
Liverpool (a) 4-2
Leicester (a) 1-1
Woolwich (h) 0-1
Brighton (a) 3-2
Crystal Palace (a) 1-0

Others like Fulham 3-0 and Ipswich 1-2 Romero played. In a nutshell we've been shit for a year. It doesnt really matter who plays, the minimal tactics have been rumbled and its got progressively worse. Of course better players help a bit but its clearly the system thats the issue.
The key players are just about good enough to cover the flaws in the "system", but they're not superhuman, the results are patchy at best. They most certainly do not thrive in the system.

If the excuse of injuries were to be justifiable, you'd want to watch matches and see the system in play but maybe results not being so great due to the lesser quality trying to implement it.

We're not seeing that, it's utter chaos, very difficult to figure out what on Earth the players are trying to do, which to me means either the coaching is below standard, or the players have given up entirely.

If you take the players' words at face value and they are behind him, then the only logical conclusion is that the coaching team are inept.
 
Before I start I've wanted Ange out since Ipswich but as an amateur coach you would know better than anyone that you can provide positions and structure to the players. But once they step on the pitch there is fuck all you can do other than shout and tell x to get back or y to hold. I guarantee (as an amateur coach) you have seen with your own eyes players in your team doing exactly what you have told them not to do... would that be fair? I would also wager, same players have done it to you more than once despite repeatedly telling them to stop fucking charging up field and keep an eye on their #11. Sunday, Amateur, Professional... we like to think there is a big difference but IQ is IQ and some of our players would struggle to fill out their address when ordering off Amazon.
Porro seems to always leave so much space behind him, i've lost count of the amount of times he has done this , If I was manager I would have tried Reggie at LB and Spence at RB, however the fact that Porro still gets picked makes me think Ange wants him pressing up like a mad man leaving acres of space behind him for the centre backs to cover.
 
Before I start I've wanted Ange out since Ipswich but as an amateur coach you would know better than anyone that you can provide positions and structure to the players. But once they step on the pitch there is fuck all you can do other than shout and tell x to get back or y to hold. I guarantee (as an amateur coach) you have seen with your own eyes players in your team doing exactly what you have told them not to do... would that be fair? I would also wager, same players have done it to you more than once despite repeatedly telling them to stop fucking charging up field and keep an eye on their #11. Sunday, Amateur, Professional... we like to think there is a big difference but IQ is IQ and some of our players would struggle to fill out their address when ordering off Amazon.
I think Bissouma is one of those players! Offers exactly nothing defensively/tactically, and are just thick.

We have a midfield that offers no protection at all for the back 4, if it is Ange's tactics, or down to the players, i don't know. But Biss needs to go either way.
 
Freezing players out given the circumstances is beyond crazy. Reggie limited but had passable loans at 2 clubs last season, not ideal but he could have played in a few games. Spence was on that list until he had no choice, Lankshear could have played more minutes. Ajayi scored a worldie from the bench and hasnt had 1 minute since.
any competent Coach would have rotated far better then Ange has. Ange has caused a lot of issues himself - Son looks fit to drop he needs a rest. Ajayi should have had more minutes
 
any competent Coach would have rotated far better then Ange has. Ange has caused a lot of issues himself - Son looks fit to drop he needs a rest. Ajayi should have had more minutes

How much rotation did Conte do?

Have issues with Ange, his system, his gamble on recruiting young but just making bold statements like "any competent coach would have rotated better" isn't based on reality. Some coaches rotate more than others, competence doesn't really factor into it.
 
I was planning on going to the Man U game but fuck that if he’s still in charge for a 16.30 Sunday afternoon kick off. I have zero motivation to watch us line up tactically like that again whilst spending a load of money getting to the ground and back. They’ll probably be goals and Sky will love it but it will be more of the same shite.
 
Porro seems to always leave so much space behind him, i've lost count of the amount of times he has done this , If I was manager I would have tried Reggie at LB and Spence at RB, however the fact that Porro still gets picked makes me think Ange wants him pressing up like a mad man leaving acres of space behind him for the centre backs to cover.
The thing is, we don't have any fullbacks!

I would say all of Porro, Spence, Udogie, Reggie, they are all wingbacks. All looking good attacking, all of them looking awful defending.

They would have all been good in a 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 system.

But with a back 4 they don't really fit.
 
Yeah it's a tough one.

They don't have long to do it if they are going to make a change without sabotaging the new guy before he starts. So, it needs to be an unemployed one otherwise they will just fuck about negotiating the buyout from the club.

Terzic is out of work and coming from Dortmund you know he's used to the culture of trusting young players. I know he fell out with the Dortmund players over tactics at the end and it all went the same way as Poch did for us but that's the dice you probably have to roll if you are going to do it.

Terzic was criticized quite heavily of boring football before he left, if he was to come in would be quite interesting to see fan reaction to us being a tight team to beat but quite boring

Ange isn't being sacked anyway so guess it doesn't matter. I even have a feeling that Levy might keep him for a 3rd season, he really likes him
 
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