Manager Ange Postecoglou

[dudu]

500 sprints.

39 games played so far
10 outfield players who have to sprint

So that’s approximately 1.2 extra sprints per game he makes these poor players do.

The man is a criminal and an evil one at that



This narrative is even dumber than I first thought. I think we should go with the studs next. Ange and his old school amateur long studs. He’s ruining the players with long studs

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Haaland does more sprints than VDV

In fact, back in Oct when VDV got his problem - he wasn't in the top 20 .... or close to it i don't think

Premier League stats: Who is fastest and who's walked the most this season?

BBC Sport and Opta have run through the numbers. Who is the Premier League's fastest player? Who covers the most distance? And which player has walked the furthest?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[dudu]

Conte - No. It was clear he had no interest in being at Spurs.
Mourinho - Yes, we should have stuck with him. It's still not clear why he was sacked before cup final. Probably $$$ decision.
Nuno - Clearly if a coach of Conte's ability was available, he was to go.
Poch - It was clear he was burnt out and future of club wasn't aligned with the board. Given what he achieved, should have been given the opportunity to rebuild - but when Mourinho is available; you can see why the boards eyes lit up.
AVB - Probably the closest comparison to Ange. Working with a new squad of questionable quality. Very rigid football philosophy.

The only coach I think that should have been given time was Mourinho. If he was given a better squad, I think that he could have achieved more - however, he is a high achieving coach who wants experienced quality squad - something not available at Spurs - So I suspect this is why the club got rid. "No, you can't have quality players. Make do with this lot; we got them for a good price"

Ange seems on board with the club direction to buy young players and develop a squad over many seasons. Build a close group of players who play for each other, not themselves. Develop an attacking style of football; and lose the Spursy tag - stop being the plucky underdog and start having confidence to win. This may take a few seasons.

The alternatives

Bring in an elite coach - This won't work (see Mourinho, Conte) we don't have an elite squad.

Bring in elite players - They won't come to Spurs. They want to play for prestige teams in the Champions League and compete for trophies.

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Jose had completely lost the dressing room - the players were not playing for him at all.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Haaland does more sprints than VDV

In fact, back in Oct when VDV got his problem - he wasn't in the top 20 .... or close to it i don't think

Premier League stats: Who is fastest and who's walked the most this season?

BBC Sport and Opta have run through the numbers. Who is the Premier League's fastest player? Who covers the most distance? And which player has walked the furthest?

www.bbc.co.uk

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Yeah but that doesn't fit a narrative. Haaland probably has shorter studs or something. Pep must
tell him which sprints to do because he's Spanish and they understand sprinting better than these amateur Australians.


Or it could be that the exact wrong injuries happened at the wrong time to disrupt a system that is unorthodox, risky, and fragile when it comes to physically dominating games and the real issue we have had is the extra load from not being able to rotate without paying academy kids has caused a snowball effect on other players getting injuries.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Jose had completely lost the dressing room - the players were not playing for him at all.

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Which is absolutely the wrong time to sack a manager if you want to build a culture of the team and the club winning.

Players making decisions about which manager they want to play for is about each player as an individual and then the toxicity spreads like a cancer if the coaching staff don't have the authority to cut it out and kill it.

The players had reportedly turned on Poch at the end, especially when he started talking openly about rebuilding without some of them. If they could turn on Poch, they could turn on anyone and we saw with our own eyes in the Amazon series with Rose threatening to go above Jose's head to Levy.

That is actual evidence to back up the idea that Levy as the Chairman created a losing culture of players being able to decide when they feel like winning football matches. And also worth noting is that when players have that much power, so does the agent whispering in their ear and who knows who else that they listen to (Paqueta and Tonali randomly spring to mind here). Nothing good can ever come from that.

 

[Maureen]

Remember the search after Jose and conte they didn’t end well

 

[Maureen]

Wonder if Munn goes into work and has to figure what to do? Has he ever made any statements or interviews outlining his role, plans and so on? He must be on the easiest £5M / year. His salary would have covered the cost of increased ticket prices.

Well it looks like Fab is on the case and we know the useless bald turd listens to him.
Did anyone find out what Munn does yet?

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[Maureen]

The same Fab that convinced Levy to hire Nuno? Forgive me for not breaking out the bunting.

Paratici can identify a player, roughly half the time. But a good judge of managers he is not.

As for the rumours, apparently he wants Inzaghi. Why Inzaghi would give up Inter to come and manage this shitshow I don't know.

I also don't just see why we don't go for the likes of Iraola or McKenna. Proven Prem managers who know the league and would champ at the bit to be given a chance at a club of our stature. Trust Levy to be given a complete fucking open goal this summer and miss.

Inzaghi is obviously a talented manager but he gives me serious Conte vibes. In style, tactics, demeanour, everything. Big risk.

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Didn’t he also want gutuso? He only looks at Italy as well.

 

[Silvio Dante]

Judge Ange in his third season

And if that's shit too , then judge him in the fourth or fifth

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Ange will seriously cook when all these teenagers hit 28

 

[PointToPatrik]

This makes the term "elite coach" seem a bit backwards.

Are you defining an elite coach as someone who is elite at coaching, or as one that can only coach elite players?

Because the latter description doesn't really sound impressive at all, most coaches could have success if furnished with elite players.

Surely an "elite" coach is exactly what you want to turn a lesser squad into something greater?

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I think that there are two versions (at minimum) of elite coaches.

One type are the ones that can develop players and make a team better than the sum of its parts.

And then there are the types that are elite at managing and handling big name egos and personalities. Ancelotti being a prime example of such a coach.

 

[Pól]

Ange will seriously cook when all these teenagers hit 28

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The only thing Ange will cook is a full English every morning

 

[Phomesy]

The only thing Ange will cook is a full English every morning

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[BJK]

This distinction between floor raisers and ceiling raisers is one that I also find useful to make. Neither are monoliths, nor are there clear cut boundaries between the two. Someone like Ancelotti can go back and forth between the two for example, winning the biggest trophies in the game while keeping Everton afloat in between. But most of the time you have a good sense of where the manager in question stands at the spectrum.

Floor raisers excel at making wholes bigger than the sum of its parts. They create compact, hard-nosed, tough to beat teams where most players look close to their best selves. Pochettino was a clear example of that during most of his time here. But even the likes of Moyes, Nuno, Dyche that people often turn their noses up at belong in to this category. Lumping all these guys together might seem counterintuitive or flat out wrong, but like I said there are degrees to it.

Ceiling raisers excel at getting their teams over the line. They admittedly need great amount of resources to do that, that's why they're sometimes called chequebook managers in a condescending tone. They deal with all the hassles that managing a big club entails, including managing big personalities, dealing with media attention and fan expectations and so on. In terms of Xs and Os they know how to build teams that have no problem breaking down low blocks on a consistent basis. As we all know it's not a walk in the park, because we regularly see managers establish themselves as good floor raisers before failing to make that transition.

Ange seems like a wannabe ceiling raiser/chequebook manager, that's why all this talk about him leading a youth project has been ludicrous. Nothing indicates that he has what it takes to be a floor raiser such a project would require. Nor do I think he would even be interested in such a thing, as he has been bouncing around from team to team over the course of his career.

There's no project going on that he's in charge of. He's just enjoying his 15 minutes of fame here, however long it may last.

 

[manmountainbutters]

This distinction between floor raisers and ceiling raisers is one that I also find useful to make. Neither are monoliths, nor are there clear cut boundaries between the two. Someone like Ancelotti can go back and forth between the two for example, winning the biggest trophies in the game while keeping Everton afloat in between. But most of the time you have a good sense of where the manager in question stands at the spectrum.

Floor raisers excel at making wholes bigger than the sum of its parts. They create compact, hard-nosed, tough to beat teams where most players look close to their best selves. Pochettino was a clear example of that during most of his time here. But even the likes of Moyes, Nuno, Dyche that people often turn their noses up at belong in to this category. Lumping all these guys together might seem counterintuitive or flat out wrong, but like I said there are degrees to it.

Ceiling raisers excel at getting their teams over the line. They admittedly need great amount of resources to do that, that's why they're sometimes called chequebook managers in a condescending tone. They deal with all the hassles that managing a big club entails, including managing big personalities, dealing with media attention and fan expectations and so on. In terms of Xs and Os they know how to build teams that have no problem breaking down low blocks on a consistent basis. As we all know it's not a walk in the park, because we regularly see managers establish themselves as good floor raisers before failing to make that transition.

Ange seems like a wannabe ceiling raiser/chequebook manager, that's why all this talk about him leading a youth project has been ludicrous. Nothing indicates that he has what it takes to be a floor raiser such a project would require. Nor do I think he would even be interested in such a thing, as he has been bouncing around from team to team over the course of his career.

There's no project going on that he's in charge of. He's just enjoying his 15 minutes of fame here, however long it may last.

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All together now:

“HIGH CEILING. LOW FLOOR”!”

 

[dudu]

Which is absolutely the wrong time to sack a manager if you want to build a culture of the team and the club winning.

Players making decisions about which manager they want to play for is about each player as an individual and then the toxicity spreads like a cancer if the coaching staff don't have the authority to cut it out and kill it.

The players had reportedly turned on Poch at the end, especially when he started talking openly about rebuilding without some of them. If they could turn on Poch, they could turn on anyone and we saw with our own eyes in the Amazon series with Rose threatening to go above Jose's head to Levy.

That is actual evidence to back up the idea that Levy as the Chairman created a losing culture of players being able to decide when they feel like winning football matches. And also worth noting is that when players have that much power, so does the agent whispering in their ear and who knows who else that they listen to (Paqueta and Tonali randomly spring to mind here). Nothing good can ever come from that.

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I agree - but its the reason why he went

 

[Matt1882]

Don’t do it then as Tommy Cooper once joked

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I don't - cringed when my kid wanted me to do the 100m at sports day last year

 

[Matt1882]

Conte - No. It was clear he had no interest in being at Spurs.
Mourinho - Yes, we should have stuck with him. It's still not clear why he was sacked before cup final. Probably $$$ decision.
Nuno - Clearly if a coach of Conte's ability was available, he was to go.
Poch - It was clear he was burnt out and future of club wasn't aligned with the board. Given what he achieved, should have been given the opportunity to rebuild - but when Mourinho is available; you can see why the boards eyes lit up.
AVB - Probably the closest comparison to Ange. Working with a new squad of questionable quality. Very rigid football philosophy.

The only coach I think that should have been given time was Mourinho. If he was given a better squad, I think that he could have achieved more - however, he is a high achieving coach who wants experienced quality squad - something not available at Spurs - So I suspect this is why the club got rid. "No, you can't have quality players. Make do with this lot; we got them for a good price"

Ange seems on board with the club direction to buy young players and develop a squad over many seasons. Build a close group of players who play for each other, not themselves. Develop an attacking style of football; and lose the Spursy tag - stop being the plucky underdog and start having confidence to win. This may take a few seasons.

The alternatives

Bring in an elite coach - This won't work (see Mourinho, Conte) we don't have an elite squad.

Bring in elite players - They won't come to Spurs. They want to play for prestige teams in the Champions League and compete for trophies.

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More reasonable a response than I expected.

What I will say, more in addition than in disagreement...
I think after the Conte rant, instead of sulking about it and sacking him, Levy should have begged him to help change all the issues he addressed. He was bang on with every single gripe he raised.
I believe Nono was always a stop gap. I don't think we ever intended to keep him long term. I reckon we knew we could get Conte later on.
I wouldn't say AVB and Postecoglu are comparable tbh. AVB was sacked after MW 16 wit 5 losses. At MW 16 this season we'd already lost 7. We'd won 8 of those 16 - we only have 8 from 24 so far. By every metric, this season is worse than the season AVB went and we've given him 8 more league games. I really didn't rate AVB, but he was better than this guy. He lost the dressing room because he was a soulless authoritarian and limited tactically. AngeLOSS is a "likeable" bloke who probably goes soft on the players so retains some of their support.

 

[Matt1882]

Haaland does more sprints than VDV

In fact, back in Oct when VDV got his problem - he wasn't in the top 20 .... or close to it i don't think

Premier League stats: Who is fastest and who's walked the most this season?

BBC Sport and Opta have run through the numbers. Who is the Premier League's fastest player? Who covers the most distance? And which player has walked the furthest?

www.bbc.co.uk

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Haaland probably plans his sprints and starts his runs at a normal pace. Any defender (not just VDV) who is stood on the halfway line has to go from standstill to full pace with no warning. That's what causes muscle strains.

 

[Aphex]

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[Dudski]

I think it would be much easier on Levy and the board if they fired Postecoglou in the off season. Less media focus.

 

[Kosher Kid]

I think it would be much easier on Levy and the board if they fired Postecoglou in the off season. Less media focus.

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Ange will be sacked as soon as the miser is having significant problems shifting seats at the megadome.