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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113


They're never going to let him break his contract now but if we want him we should be trying to get him in right now. Let him bed his game in on the players for the rest of this season as we saw with bournemouth it took a while for him to get them going so you can bet it would take even longer with us.

That isnt to say I'm 100% sold on him. I've no idea who I want though, just a long list of ones I dont and one that I dont think will work. Most choices uninspiring.
 
They're never going to let him break his contract now but if we want him we should be trying to get him in right now. Let him bed his game in on the players for the rest of this season as we saw with bournemouth it took a while for him to get them going so you can bet it would take even longer with us.

That isnt to say I'm 100% sold on him. I've no idea who I want though, just a long list of ones I dont and one that I dont think will work. Most choices uninspiring.
I think Silva is the only manager that would jump ship now.

Iraola (quite rightly) will want to finish his season with Bournemouth.

I think our replacement will be Silva, Iraola or Franks.
 
I think Silva is the only manager that would jump ship now.

Iraola (quite rightly) will want to finish his season with Bournemouth.

I think our replacement will be Silva, Iraola or Franks.
I've warmed up to the idea of Alguacil since realising that his contract at Sociedad expires this summer.

He plays attacking football but with more of a focus on control rather than blitzing like Ange. Is used to operating at the top level and like most Basque managers, is good at player development and used to integrating and developing youngsters.
 
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One type are the ones that can develop players and make a team better than the sum of its parts.

And then there are the types that are elite at managing and handling big name egos and personalities. Ancelotti being a prime example of such a coach.
Ancelotti is very underrated tactically. He obviously has good football sense and understands tactics well. Just because he doesn't coach a modern high press doesn't mean he doesn't. He absolutely understands football tactics much better than some bluffer like Postecoglou.

He had Everton playing much better than the sum of its parts, as subsequent managers have shown. Not too many big name egos in that squad.

His essence though is to simplify the game down, not to over complicate things. Put players in the positions that will suit them best, maximise their strengths and minimise their weaknesses. Adjust the formation and system to suit the players at hand, not the other way round.

A couple of current failing managers in the Prem could especially take this last bit of advice to hand. There's no way Ancelotti would have this United squad playing a wingback system, or would be playing Son and Brennan as touchline hugging wingers, for instance.
 
Ancelotti is very underrated tactically. He obviously has good football sense and understands tactics well. Just because he doesn't coach a modern high press doesn't mean he doesn't. He absolutely understands football tactics much better than some bluffer like Postecoglou.

He had Everton playing much better than the sum of its parts, as subsequent managers have shown. Not too many big name egos in that squad.

His essence though is to simplify the game down, not to over complicate things. Put players in the positions that will suit them best, maximise their strengths and minimise their weaknesses. Adjust the formation and system to suit the players at hand, not the other way round.

A couple of current failing managers in the Prem could especially take this last bit of advice to hand. There's no way Ancelotti would have this United squad playing a wingback system, or would be playing Son and Brennan as touchline hugging wingers, for instance.

Some football managers fancy themselves as philosophers rather than managers. Their job is to get the best out of what they have, if they can only find a way to play a single system or tactic then they’re not much fucking use.

Of course long term they can build towards whatever they want but in Amorims case especially.. it’s mid season and you’re in trouble, it’s surely about stabilisation and points on the board until the Summer.

Instead it seems he’s viewed it as a chance to give the fancy 5 back a go mid season in a team which very obviously suits a basic 4321. It’s fucking madness and egos flying about rather than just doing their bloody job.
 
They're never going to let him break his contract now but if we want him we should be trying to get him in right now. Let him bed his game in on the players for the rest of this season as we saw with bournemouth it took a while for him to get them going so you can bet it would take even longer with us.

That isnt to say I'm 100% sold on him. I've no idea who I want though, just a long list of ones I dont and one that I dont think will work. Most choices uninspiring.

Interestingly Iraola will only have a year left on his contract in the summer. That will be attractive to Levy.

I just think it has to be him.

Honestly i think Franks would be a disaster, cement us as a midtable side, as much as I appreciate his Brentford work, there is a ceiling on his football.

Iraola on the other hand could have us beating the top 6 regularly when it clicks.
 
Ancelotti is very underrated tactically. He obviously has good football sense and understands tactics well. Just because he doesn't coach a modern high press doesn't mean he doesn't. He absolutely understands football tactics much better than some bluffer like Postecoglou.

He had Everton playing much better than the sum of its parts, as subsequent managers have shown. Not too many big name egos in that squad.

His essence though is to simplify the game down, not to over complicate things. Put players in the positions that will suit them best, maximise their strengths and minimise their weaknesses. Adjust the formation and system to suit the players at hand, not the other way round.

A couple of current failing managers in the Prem could especially take this last bit of advice to hand. There's no way Ancelotti would have this United squad playing a wingback system, or would be playing Son and Brennan as touchline hugging wingers, for instance.

I like Ancelotti. Shame he's probably at the biggest job of all and anything else for him is winding down at his age.
He's the type to study the opposition and work out how to beat them and also to assess the tools he has at his disposal, and work out how best to use them.
You don't use a Dremel to cut through an RSJ, so why use players out of position because you care more about your 1 and only system.
 
Some football managers fancy themselves as philosophers rather than managers. Their job is to get the best out of what they have, if they can only find a way to play a single system or tactic then they’re not much fucking use.

Of course long term they can build towards whatever they want but in Amorims case especially.. it’s mid season and you’re in trouble, it’s surely about stabilisation and points on the board until the Summer.

Instead it seems he’s viewed it as a chance to give the fancy 5 back a go mid season in a team which very obviously suits a basic 4321. It’s fucking madness and egos flying about rather than just doing their bloody job.

As long as they don't get relegated, Amorim will probably see this half of the season as a chance to have a really good look at which players can and which players can't play his system next year. It's not like they were getting back into the European places anyway. If he played a different system just to be pragmatic, he'd be starting from zero in the summer.
 
As long as they don't get relegated, Amorim will probably see this half of the season as a chance to have a really good look at which players can and which players can't play his system next year. It's not like they were getting back into the European places anyway. If he played a different system just to be pragmatic, he'd be starting from zero in the summer.

Oh well as long as he's using the season as an experiment, that's alright then...

Sorry but no. You can tell which players suit your system without repeatedly having to demonstrate it in competitive matches. It's not responsible management. Starting at 'zero' in the summer is no issue - you have a pre season, summer transfers and can do what you need to do. I could tell you at a glance that their current full-backs would never be good wingbacks and that the midfield isn't up to the job.

I also just straight up think that a manager should be capable of numerous setups. Same with Conte, good coach but so wedded to a single system that if that isn't working he will never change it. I'm not talking plan b in terms of big man on top, but the best coaches can change things around - being wedded to a 5 back is a weird choice imo.
 
Yeah but that doesn't fit a narrative. Haaland probably has shorter studs or something. Pep must
tell him which sprints to do because he's Spanish and they understand sprinting better than these amateur Australians.


Or it could be that the exact wrong injuries happened at the wrong time to disrupt a system that is unorthodox, risky, and fragile when it comes to physically dominating games and the real issue we have had is the extra load from not being able to rotate without paying academy kids has caused a snowball effect on other players getting injuries.
Oh my God...Are you still doing but but but other people teams shit... Richard? Lol ...I'm not going to point out how many times we covered this shit. In fact I won't certainly not for the one you are talking to he's an idiot. But we have examined the differences a billion times, with you finally saying you saw lol. Are you one of those people changes opinion depending on who you're speaking to at that given moment?
Puts on Cletus voice "But pa other teams done press a whole lot a the time, and they does sprint too. Eyes is confused "😕
No Rich it's not an idiot metric like Haaland runs 12 times Mickey 10 times so sprinting not the problem. Only complete football dunces would buy this.
 
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Oh my God...Are you still doing but but but other people teams shit... Richard? Lol ...I'm not going to point out how many times we covered this shit. In fact I won't certainly not for the one you are talking to he's an idiot. But we have examined the differences a billion times, with you finally saying you saw lol. Are you one of those people changes opinion depending on who you're speaking to at that give moment?
Puts on Cletus voice "But pa other teams done press a whole lot a the time, and they does sprint too. Eyes is confused "😕

Look, the loss to Villa and Liverpool in a week was unacceptable for me and any will I have to defend Ange and these injured players is over.

That’s not the same as just accepting the bullshit narratives that people build up based on a load of hot air. Expert sprint analysis being the latest one.

The post I originally replied to said we’d done 500 more sprints than other teams at this point in the season. I just pointed out that over 39 games with 10 outfield players sprinting that’s about 1.2 extra sprints per player per game 😅
And that’s before you even both trying work out if we are taking long sprints, short sprints or total KMs ran.

It’s all a load of bollox for people looking for something easy to blame their frustrations on.

The results are bad enough, we don’t need more amateur hour, context free analysis to try and bullshit our way into easy narratives to attach blame. PL is intense no matter how you play and injuries happen. There is no right way to play or train to avoid injuries and there 100% isn’t a way to play and train that is focused on injury prevention over winning.
 
Look, the loss to Villa and Liverpool in a week was unacceptable for me and any will I have to defend Ange.

That’s not the same as just accepting the bullshit narratives that people build up based on a load of hot air. Expert sprint analysis being the latest one.

The post I originally replied to said we’d done 500 more sprints than other teams at this point in the season. I just pointed out that over 39 games with 10 outfield players sprinting that’s about 1.2 extra sprints per player per game?
And that’s before you even both trying work out if we are taking long sprints, short sprints or total KMs ran.

It’s all a load of bollox for people looking for something easy to blame their frustrations on.

The results are bad enough, we don’t need more amateur hour, context free analysis to try and bullshit our way into easy narratives to attach blame. PL is intense no matter how you play and injuries happen. There is no right way to play or train to avoid injuries and there 100% isn’t a way to play and train that is focused on injury prevention over winning.


Richard you and he are rehashing a thoroughly debunked critique. The idea running is the problem or causing any of our issues is long buried. To be fair the people who used to defend Ange Postecoglou brainless football use to hide behind this silly take more than anyone. Because it's stupid it acted like a figleaf for his utter naivety.

How he has us playing football is causing the injuries and attrion of the squad it's incredibly obvious and it's been thoroughly exposed. But 8 months ago they would sheirk when it was pointed out, a lot less of these mugs now. It's not even complicated the way the modern game has evolved over the last few years makes it impossible to do what Ange did at Celtic or in Japan. And it's only ever had a limited shelf life in the EPL.

Put your house on it Ange will be fired and NEVER return to coaching at this level because if you have watched us and think the football will win anything but the odd one off game you don't understand the game. His midfield is a fucking dysfunctional cluster fuck whomever is playing.
 
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