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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Richard you and he are rehashing a thoroughly debunked critique.
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A what now?

What has been "debunked" LOL

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
The idea running is the problem or causing any of our issues is long buried. To be fair the people who used to defend Ange Postecoglou brainless football
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To repeat, I'm not defending Ange or his football.

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
use to hide behind this silly take more than anyone. Because it's stupid it acted like a figleaf for his utter naivety.

How he has us playing football is causing the injuries and attrion of the squad it's incredibly obvious and it's been thoroughly exposed.
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How is the way we play football causing injuries? (You don't have to answer this if you cba because you don't really have a good answer that isn't the same as the other utter bollox that gets typed up repeatedly).

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
But 8 months ago they would sheirk when it was pointed out, a lot less of these mugs now. It's not even complicated the way the modern game has evolved over the last few years makes it impossible to do what Ange did at Celtic or in Japan.
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The modern game has evolved and that's why we have an injury crisis? Ok, sounds good. Any idea of how to explain that?

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
And it's only ever had a limited shelf life in the EPL.
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Could be true. Looks like it hasn't worked and that's on Ange.

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Put your house on it Ange will be fired and NEVER return to coaching at this level because if you have watched us and think the football will win anything but the odd one off game you don't understand the game. His midfield is a fucking dysfunctional cluster fuck whomever is playing.
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If Ange is fired I don't really give a fuck what he does next. If it works for him somewhere else it will make no difference to me if I'm honest. Usually players and coaches do tend to leave Spurs and achieve more elsewhere tho.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Richard you and he are rehashing a thoroughly debunked critique. The idea running is the problem or causing any of our issues is long buried. To be fair the people who used to defend Ange Postecoglou brainless football use to hide behind this silly take more than anyone. Because it's stupid it acted like a figleaf for his utter naivety.

How he has us playing football is causing the injuries and attrion of the squad it's incredibly obvious and it's been thoroughly exposed. But 8 months ago they would sheirk when it was pointed out, a lot less of these mugs now. It's not even complicated the way the modern game has evolved over the last few years makes it impossible to do what Ange did at Celtic or in Japan. And it's only ever had a limited shelf life in the EPL.

Put your house on it Ange will be fired and NEVER return to coaching at this level because if you have watched us and think the football will win anything but the odd one off game you don't understand the game. His midfield is a fucking dysfunctional cluster fuck whomever is playing.
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I was on the Ange train that it was just injuries last season an that we would be amazing from Jan 24. I was proved wrong and accepted it and now I want the Australian out because who the heck tries to turn Archie Gray into a utility defender and has zero plan how to develop him into an elite midfielder.
 
Richard Arlison said:
A what now?

What has been "debunked" LOL



To repeat, I'm not defending Ange or his football.




How is the way we play football causing injuries? (You don't have to answer this if you cba because you don't really have a good answer that isn't the same as the other utter bollox that gets typed up repeatedly).



The modern game has evolved and that's why we have an injury crisis? Ok, sounds good. Any idea of how to explain that?



Could be true. Looks like it hasn't worked and that's on Ange.



If Ange is fired I don't really give a fuck what he does next. If it works for him somewhere else it will make no difference to me if I'm honest. Usually players and coaches do tend to leave Spurs and achieve more elsewhere tho.
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So without European Football last season he had 37 different injuries the highest of any manager without European Football. This season he has already had more this shows by any shadow of a doubt that something he does contributes to the number of injuries we have.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Look, the loss to Villa and Liverpool in a week was unacceptable for me and any will I have to defend Ange and these injured players is over.

That’s not the same as just accepting the bullshit narratives that people build up based on a load of hot air. Expert sprint analysis being the latest one.

The post I originally replied to said we’d done 500 more sprints than other teams at this point in the season. I just pointed out that over 39 games with 10 outfield players sprinting that’s about 1.2 extra sprints per player per game 😅
And that’s before you even both trying work out if we are taking long sprints, short sprints or total KMs ran.

It’s all a load of bollox for people looking for something easy to blame their frustrations on.

The results are bad enough, we don’t need more amateur hour, context free analysis to try and bullshit our way into easy narratives to attach blame. PL is intense no matter how you play and injuries happen. There is no right way to play or train to avoid injuries and there 100% isn’t a way to play and train that is focused on injury prevention over winning.
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tbf though, your defence of Ange has been proven wrong Richard. You would surely not have backed Ange so strongly had you somehow known the results with him as manager would be awful? You can't have thought the results were likely to be awful despite defending him to the hilt surely? Your considered view was that the results would improve based on your analysis of the situation, and events have not turned out the way you expected.

So perhaps it is you being proven wrong that has people doubting you?

I was Ange in till some point in Nov/Dec. I was concerned about form in the second half of last season, and didn't like what I heard on his approach to training (i.e. skip it), I also didn't like his manner in post-match interviews or on the touchline, but wanted to give the guy a decent chance to see whether he could start to move it in the right direction. Nothing to be ashamed of with being proven wrong by events. It is failure to accept being wrong as events disprove you view that people just don't have any time for. And rightly so.
 
Matt1882 said:
I like Ancelotti. Shame he's probably at the biggest job of all and anything else for him is winding down at his age.
He's the type to study the opposition and work out how to beat them and also to assess the tools he has at his disposal, and work out how best to use them.
You don't use a Dremel to cut through an RSJ, so why use players out of position because you care more about your 1 and only system.
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Tbf, Benitez is similarly pragmatic.
 
White Van Jan said:
Maybe the owners need to tell him to start losing a few
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I actually think this is a "thing" sometimes. More so with players. Real don't want to pay £100m for Romero, tell him to be bang average (or injured) and his value plummets. Some players will do it if they want the move. Others, like Kane, would be at 100% no matter what.

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Oh my God...Are you still doing but but but other people teams shit... Richard? Lol ...I'm not going to point out how many times we covered this shit. In fact I won't certainly not for the one you are talking to he's an idiot. But we have examined the differences a billion times, with you finally saying you saw lol. Are you one of those people changes opinion depending on who you're speaking to at that given moment?
Puts on Cletus voice "But pa other teams done press a whole lot a the time, and they does sprint too. Eyes is confused "😕
No Rich it's not an idiot metric like Haaland runs 12 times Mickey 10 times so sprinting not the problem. Only complete football dunces would buy this.
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He's not the biggest troll on this page, but he's in the top 1. Stop giving him the attention and he'll disappear.

ChrissyWaddleShares said:
Tbf, Benitez is similarly pragmatic.
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I worry he's finished tbh. Very poor at his last few clubs. Worryingly so.
 
manmountainbutters said:
tbf though, your defence of Ange has been proven wrong Richard.
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Yeah that's fair. I was intentionally deluding myself into saying we were doing a cup double. That's 100% not happening now and let's face it, the way the season has gone, a EL win and top 10 finish is looking less and less likely.

manmountainbutters said:
You would surely not have backed Ange so strongly had you somehow known the results with him as manager would be awful?
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Obviously not. This season is a disaster so far.

manmountainbutters said:
You can't have thought the results were likely to be awful despite defending him to the hilt surely? Your considered view was that the results would improve based on your analysis of the situation, and events have not turned out the way you expected.
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I thought we'd get enough players back for last week and get through at least one of those Cup games. If we were still in the FA Cup with Liverpool, Woolwich and Chelsea all knocked out, plus the EL, this season would still look like it could be salvaged. Now it looks a long way off.


manmountainbutters said:
So perhaps it is you being proven wrong that has people doubting you?
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Why is it me they are doubting?

manmountainbutters said:
I was Ange in till some point in Nov/Dec. I was concerned about form in the second half of last season, and didn't like what I heard on his approach to training (i.e. skip it), I also didn't like his manner in post-match interviews or on the touchline, but wanted to give the guy a decent chance to see whether he could start to move it in the right direction. Nothing to be ashamed of with being proven wrong by events. It is failure to accept being wrong as events disprove you view that people just don't have any time for. And rightly so.
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How has this debate on sprints shown a failure to accept I'm wrong? Tbh though, I don't really give a fuck if people want me to accept that I was wrong about Ange because I'm going to defend the next coach from all the bullshit narratives people cook up as well. And one thing I won't be proven wrong about is when I say that bullshit narratives will come for the next coach as well. Because they will come.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Yeah that's fair. I was intentionally deluding myself into saying we were doing a cup double. That's 100% not happening now and let's face it, the way the season has gone, a EL win and top 10 finish is looking less and less likely.



Obviously not. This season is a disaster so far.



I thought we'd get enough players back for last week and get through at least one of those Cup games. If we were still in the FA Cup with Liverpool, Woolwich and Chelsea all knocked out, plus the EL, this season would still look like it could be salvaged. Now it looks a long way off.




Why is it me they are doubting?



How has this debate on sprints shown a failure to accept I'm wrong? Tbh though, I don't really give a fuck if people want me to accept that I was wrong about Ange because I'm going to defend the next coach from all the bullshit narratives people cook up as well. And one thing I won't be proven wrong about is when I say that bullshit narratives will come for the next coach as well. Because they will come.
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LOL. I will admit the sprint discussion is amusing. Don't get too wound up by it!

TBH I think it is increasingly hard to argue that our excess injuries are nothing to do with Ange, though at the same time clearly not rotating is compounding the problem.
 
Sam Allardyce tells Ange Postecoglou to let go of attacking approach for now

Sam Allardyce has noted how there have been managers who have been sacked a lot more quickly than Ange Postecoglou, and in wake of results not being as bad.

The veteran coach has also claimed that, while Tottenham’s injuries have been bad, “you can only hide” behind that for so long.

Allardyce believes managers need to “do the right thing for the team” and put aside a style of play they are “hell-bent” on achieving in pursuit of pragmatism.

“Managers have gone a lot quicker than Ange, and not done as bad as his results,” Allardyce said on No Tippy Tappy Football.

“And sadly you can only hide behind injuries for so long, irrespective of how much it’s affecting the team and how difficult it is to get through that period.

“You’ve got to find a way to get results, and I think that as the game is today, his inability to change – and to provide a way of playing to win – is much more important than the style of play, and he doesn’t seem to accept that.

“Many coaches seem to be hellbent on one style only. There comes a time when that has to be put to one side to do the right thing for the team, to win a game of football, until you can get back to what you really want to do if that’s how you want to you want to go.

“So, in being more pragmatic in terms of how he approaches a game – his responsibility in saying ‘we’re going to be different in how we play’ and tell the players ‘this is how we’re going to set up because this team, we’re playing their strengths, need to be nullified, and we need to try and expose the weaknesses’.

“It needs some work and needs some understanding from him onto the players. And that way you win a game of football and then the pressure comes off.”
 
Brian Fantana said:
Basically we play unsustainable football and that’s why we’ve so many injuries. We’ve said it but good it’s being recognised elsewhere.


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"As a tactical expert" who has never coached a day in his life, nor has he even as much as consulted with an elite club.

Jon is a content creator. It's good content but it's for the Athletic so has to be inflammatory in nature to get enough clicks to justify his existence.

I'm not saying anything we do is or isn't sustainable but Jon Mackenzie is not much more than a narrative merchant but they are, in fairness, much better constructed narratives that carry much more weight than the usual stuff.
 
Richard Arlison said:
A what now?

What has been "debunked" LOL



To repeat, I'm not defending Ange or his football.




How is the way we play football causing injuries? (You don't have to answer this if you cba because you don't really have a good answer that isn't the same as the other utter bollox that gets typed up repeatedly).

Explained millions of times and its not we run we have a high line game you and the cultist hid behind. Lol


The modern game has evolved and that's why we have an injury crisis? Ok, sounds good. Any idea of how to explain that?

I don't believe you are arguing in good faith. You were fully on board with this shit up till very recently so I'm not going to bother as I've explained in great detail why the demands of elite football. The like of which our current coach has never experienced means his heedless running, lack of tactical periodisation squad preparation and terrible co-ordinated pressing has caused problems. Bye Rich you can join the other mug in oblivion to me. Contrarian just gets old fast.
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