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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Herclueless said:
I'm not arguing that it wasn't, but it seems like you're only just about catching up with most everyone else on here.

Losing at home to Ipswich was disgraceful, losing at home to Leicester was disgraceful, away to Everton was disgraceful.

By the time Liverpool and Villa came round I was already numb to it. Those sides are better than us, I can accept those defeats way more than fucking Ipswich and Leicester at home.
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Bad results happen to every team in the PL. I just don’t give up on coaches quickly and I’m tired of the narratives that build up as the reason to sack every coach we have. There is no perfect coach. Pep would struggle to achieve anything at this club. Whoever the next man is, the tactico experts and the Jamie Carragher twats will quickly pick up on their weaknesses and sell them to Spurs fans like washed crack in tin foil wraps. And you will all cluck for them as soon as we get a few rough results.

I haven’t even given up on Ange specifically but I’m not defending him or saying he shouldn’t be blamed/sacked for the mess. After last week, the brutal mess of this season is on him and that’s usually enough to cost you your job in Sport at this level.
 
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Klaus said:
Guardiola is one of the most flexible managers around lol, open your eyes and look at the formations he uses. He's constantly tweaking and adjusting which is how he's stayed ahead of literally every other manager in the Prem over the past decade. He's also the biggest innovator in football history and has changed the game beyond all recognition.

He's also one of the most successful managers of all time. And in terms of league performance has been much more successful than Ancelotti who only has about 5-6 league titles in 20+ years of managing the top teams in European football.

Pep has won every league title he's competed in bar three, in about 16 years of managing. Just take that stat in for a second, do you realise how absurd that is? He lost one to Mou's Real, one to Conte's Chelsea in his first year at City, and one to Klopp's Liverpool. That's it.

Ancelotti has him on CLs by five to three, but he's also been managing longer. And you could argue success in the CL is more about luck anyway. We were a shit team and got to the final. But at the very least you could say their achievements roughly match one another's.
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Look I agree that Pep is elite - but he has the most balanced teams at every single club he has ever managed.

Yes, he is an elite manager for elite teams - but he definitely has a head start at most places he coaches at.
 
Deuterz said:
Can’t wait personally. No more of that ugly mug staring back at me.

Ponces is right.
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Richard Arlison said:
Bad results happen to every team in the PL. I just don’t give up on coaches quickly and I’m tired of the narratives that build up as the reason to sack every coach we have. There is no perfect coach. Pep would struggle to achieve anything at this club. Whoever the next man is, the tactico experts and the Jamie Carragher twats will quickly pick up on their weaknesses and sell them to Spurs fans like washed crack in tin foil wraps. And you will all cluck for them as soon as we get a few rough results.

I haven’t even given up on Ange specifically but I’m not defending him or saying he shouldn’t be blamed/sacked for the mess. After last week, the brutal mess of this season is on him and that’s usually enough to cost you your job in Sport at this level.
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They do, even the best teams get beat by some of the dross occasionally, but not routinely.

Good teams play badly and win, occasionally. They don't tend to make a habit of playing badly though.

We have played badly frequently, we have lost games to, on paper, inferior sides frequently.

Everything we are seeing is quite clearly to me, the result of sub-standard coaching and management. It has been disgraceful and unacceptable for a long long time.

I'm not trying to argue you around, I just can't get my head around the fact that you were fine with all that went before, but the two cup exits are a bridge too far. To me they are just a logical continuation of the downward trend, do they now make you look back on the prior form/results and think actually you got it wrong and he should have gone sooner? Or do you think that they would all have been perfectly acceptable had we got a result in one of the cup games?
 
Emala said:
I am not talking about formations, i am talking about philosophy and ideology. If you look at one of the Barca games on YT from the Guardiola era you will notice that there are more similarities than differences between that team and City.



This is a myth. Most of the stuff he has done has been done before, both in terms of formations and of playing style. False nines, ball-playing defenders and goalkeepers etc existed before Guardiola.



Winning the Bundesliga with Bayern is as impressive as winning the Scottish league with Celtic.
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Yes he has kept his ideology and philosophy. All within tinkering changing it up.
Exactly what we need
 
Herclueless said:
I'm not trying to argue you around, I just can't get my head around the fact that you were fine with all that went before, but the two cup exits are a bridge too far. To me they are just a logical continuation of the downward trend, do they now make you look back on the prior form/results and think actually you got it wrong and he should have gone sooner?
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Nope

Herclueless said:
Or do you think that they would all have been perfectly acceptable had we got a result in one of the cup games?
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Acceptable? No. Forgiveable? Yes.

Like I said, I'm not really that interested in competitions that we don't have a chance to win. I'll watch PL games this season, I'll miss some as well. I missed the Chelea game this year for example because I'm bored with that fixture and the fact that you just know somehow we will end up getting fucked by it. Why would I give that my time unless we have a realistic chance to win the PL?

I was interested in the Cup competitions this year and I am interested in the EL. The PL I'll watch but it's a bit of a meh competition these days. The two main contenders are Liverpool with their old guys, Salah and his hair transplant, or woolwich playing Tony Pulis style. It's really a war of attrition now and we aren't a club built to survive attrition.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Bad results happen to every team in the PL. I just don’t give up on coaches quickly and I’m tired of the narratives that build up as the reason to sack every coach we have. There is no perfect coach. Pep would struggle to achieve anything at this club. Whoever the next man is, the tactico experts and the Jamie Carragher twats will quickly pick up on their weaknesses and sell them to Spurs fans like washed crack in tin foil wraps. And you will all cluck for them as soon as we get a few rough results.

I haven’t even given up on Ange specifically but I’m not defending him or saying he shouldn’t be blamed/sacked for the mess. After last week, the brutal mess of this season is on him and that’s usually enough to cost you your job in Sport at this level.
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Trouble is Ange is levels below any spurs coach over the last 30 odd years (including Gross who was terrible) . He should never have been appointed in the first place but, Daniel Levy is where the ultimate blame lies. I honestly think that no half decent coach wants to work for him and the financial constraints he places upon the club, therefore we end up with mediocre managers like Ange. I respect your position of not wanting to repeat the manager merry go round every 18 months (so do I) but, I have never seen a worse Tottenham Manager than this guy and I've been a Tottenham fan for 50 years.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Nope



Acceptable? No. Forgiveable? Yes.

Like I said, I'm not really that interested in competitions that we don't have a chance to win. I'll watch PL games this season, I'll miss some as well. I missed the Chelea game this year for example because I'm bored with that fixture and the fact that you just know somehow we will end up getting fucked by it. Why would I give that my time unless we have a realistic chance to win the PL?

I was interested in the Cup competitions this year and I am interested in the EL. The PL I'll watch but it's a bit of a meh competition these days. The two main contenders are Liverpool with their old guys, Salah and his hair transplant, or woolwich playing Tony Pulis style. It's really a war of attrition now and we aren't a club built to survive attrition.
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I hate to break it to you mate, but we don't have a chance of winning the EL with this coaching staff...

Two bites of the cherry so far should have given you the hint, even if you weren't able to see the glaringly obvious from the league performance.

This isn't a dig, but you've been open about the fact that you don't watch a number of games, I'm not sure how many you do/don't, but I think maybe that's why you were so blind to the issues at hand. To anyone that's been observing, the Liverpool and Villa performances are no surprise at all, it's exactly what we've been seeing for ages, no organisation, no conviction, no guts, no clue at all.

It's an absolute shambles, it's as bad as it's ever been in the death throes of Ramos, AVB, Poch, Mourinho, Conte, or the caretaker reigns of Sherwood and Stellini.
 
Archie said:
Trouble is Ange is levels below any spurs coach over the last 30 odd years (including Gross who was terrible) . He should never have been appointed in the first place but, Daniel Levy is where the ultimate blame lies. I honestly think that no half decent coach wants to work for him and the financial constraints he places upon the club, therefore we end up with mediocre managers like Ange. I respect your position of not wanting to repeat the manager merry go round every 18 months (so do I) but, I have never seen a worse Tottenham Manager than this guy and I've been a Tottenham fan for 50 years.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I'm pretty sure the next coach will have countless posts of people saying they are the worst, or amateur, or whatever the narrative is then just before they get sacked or walk.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Nope



Acceptable? No. Forgiveable? Yes.

Like I said, I'm not really that interested in competitions that we don't have a chance to win. I'll watch PL games this season, I'll miss some as well. I missed the Chelea game this year for example because I'm bored with that fixture and the fact that you just know somehow we will end up getting fucked by it. Why would I give that my time unless we have a realistic chance to win the PL?

I was interested in the Cup competitions this year and I am interested in the EL. The PL I'll watch but it's a bit of a meh competition these days. The two main contenders are Liverpool with their old guys, Salah and his hair transplant, or woolwich playing Tony Pulis style. It's really a war of attrition now and we aren't a club built to survive attrition.
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Under this manager we are not a ‘team’ built to withstand a ‘war of attrition’. Moreover, with Ange’s lack of nous and naive coaching methods (at best, at worst non-existent coaching methods) Spurs don’t and didn’t ever stand a chance.

It was clear during the mythical 10 games that he’d been found out or would be very soon. Since then, the downward spiral has continued. I’m a ST holder and as such have had to endure what you’ve chosen to miss (Chelsea for example).

It’s been the same every week. The same brain dead gung Ho nonsense. Inverted FB’s flying up and leaving holes. MF’s bombing on and leaving our 2 (yes, two CB’s exposed). How it’s taken the two cup defeats for people to realise how badly this manager is out of depth and how his ‘methods’ haven’t worked is beyond me!

We get done by the same goal/s every time we play and our forward play is easy to defend against. I won’t even go into his lack of in-game management, evident lack of leadership and disastrous (preventable) injury record.

Ange was way down a list of managers that we interviewed (most, like Slot turned us down). The recruitment is on Levy. Once here though, Ange’s naivety and stubbornness has been a cross for all of us to bear.

The end can’t come quickly enough
 
Archie said:
Trouble is Ange is levels below any spurs coach over the last 30 odd years (including Gross who was terrible) . He should never have been appointed in the first place but, Daniel Levy is where the ultimate blame lies. I honestly think that no half decent coach wants to work for him and the financial constraints he places upon the club, therefore we end up with mediocre managers like Ange. I respect your position of not wanting to repeat the manager merry go round every 18 months (so do I) but, I have never seen a worse Tottenham Manager than this guy and I've been a Tottenham fan for 50 years.
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I do not think Levy's restrictions are the problem, I think his biggest problem is he does not have a clue about Football is Levy's biggest problem. Too often he takes the opinion of the last person he talked too and at the moment he has surrounded himself with complete football ignoramuses.
 
Herclueless said:
I hate to break it to you mate, but we don't have a chance of winning the EL with this coaching staff...
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There is always a chance. We were doing this in another thread but it's probably somewhere around a 15% chance right now.

Herclueless said:
Two bites of the cherry so far should have given you the hint, even if you weren't able to see the glaringly obvious from the league performance.

This isn't a dig, but you've been open about the fact that you don't watch a number of games, I'm not sure how many you do/don't,
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Think Chelsea is the only one I missed the whole game.

Herclueless said:
but I think maybe that's why you were so blind to the issues at hand. To anyone that's been observing,
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No, clearly not to anyone that's observing. What you are talking about is the illusion of consensus that happens with every narrative when it gets strong enough... especially when the results are bad. Because you believe what you believe you see it everywhere and the more people who agree with you, the stronger the illusion of consensus becomes.

Herclueless said:
the Liverpool and Villa performances are no surprise at all, it's exactly what we've been seeing for ages, no organisation, no conviction, no guts, no clue at all.
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After Brentford, I'd say Liverpool was fairly predictable because the players had stolen a result by playing scared. But if we had got VDV and Romero back that week as planned, IMO we beat Villa but also have a much better chance vs Liverpool even if chances are we still get knocked out.

Herclueless said:
It's an absolute shambles, it's as bad as it's ever been in the death throes of Ramos, AVB, Poch, Mourinho, Conte, or the caretaker reigns of Sherwood and Stellini.
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It is a shambles. I agree. I said in this thread I think, that Liverpool cup performance was the most cowardly and pathetic performance I've seen since Conte. the worst performance we have seen in years was the Stellini Newcastle game.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
Bad results happen to every team in the PL. I just don’t give up on coaches quickly and I’m tired of the narratives that build up as the reason to sack every coach we have. There is no perfect coach. Pep would struggle to achieve anything at this club. Whoever the next man is, the tactico experts and the Jamie Carragher twats will quickly pick up on their weaknesses and sell them to Spurs fans like washed crack in tin foil wraps. And you will all cluck for them as soon as we get a few rough results.

I haven’t even given up on Ange specifically but I’m not defending him or saying he shouldn’t be blamed/sacked for the mess. After last week, the brutal mess of this season is on him and that’s usually enough to cost you your job in Sport at this level.
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I watched the AZ dismantlement of Galatasaray last night and they had everything to their game which Ange's football should have been. They just did the simple things right and passed and move.
 
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