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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Herclueless said:
I hate to break it to you mate, but we don't have a chance of winning the EL with this coaching staff...

Two bites of the cherry so far should have given you the hint, even if you weren't able to see the glaringly obvious from the league performance.

This isn't a dig, but you've been open about the fact that you don't watch a number of games, I'm not sure how many you do/don't, but I think maybe that's why you were so blind to the issues at hand. To anyone that's been observing, the Liverpool and Villa performances are no surprise at all, it's exactly what we've been seeing for ages, no organisation, no conviction, no guts, no clue at all.

It's an absolute shambles, it's as bad as it's ever been in the death throes of Ramos, AVB, Poch, Mourinho, Conte, or the caretaker reigns of Sherwood and Stellini.
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I will happily wager anyone a shit load of money (for me) that we will not win the EL with Ange. I'll offer some decent odds too.
OTOH, get in a respectable interim and I'm really hopeful we could win this thing. That is now the most pressing reason to sack Ange asap.
 
Henry Hotspur said:
Under this manager we are not a ‘team’ built to withstand a ‘war of attrition’. Moreover, with Ange’s lack of nous and naive coaching methods (at best, at worst non-existent coaching methods) Spurs don’t and didn’t ever stand a chance.

It was clear during the mythical 10 games that he’d been found out or would be very soon. Since then, the downward spiral has continued. I’m a ST holder and as such have had to endure what you’ve chosen to miss (Chelsea for example).

It’s been the same every week. The same brain dead gung Ho nonsense. Inverted FB’s flying up and leaving holes. MF’s bombing on and leaving our 2 (yes, two CB’s exposed). How it’s taken the two cup defeats for people to realise how badly this manager is out of depth and how his ‘methods’ haven’t worked is beyond me!

We get done by the same goal/s every time we play and our forward play is easy to defend against. I won’t even go into his lack of in-game management, evident lack of leadership and disastrous (preventable) injury record.

Ange was way down a list of managers that we interviewed (most, like Slot turned us down). The recruitment is on Levy. Once here though, Ange’s naivety and stubbornness has been a cross for all of us to bear.

The end can’t come quickly enough
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Well said Henry Hotspur Henry Hotspur

Like most I was swept away for the first 10 games. As it's gone on it's become clear to most it's chaotic, next-goal-wins, nonsense football which is not sustainable at this level. And that's without going into the various problems concerning injuries and the woeful media management.
 
Herclueless said:
I hate to break it to you mate, but we don't have a chance of winning the EL with this coaching staff...

Two bites of the cherry so far should have given you the hint, even if you weren't able to see the glaringly obvious from the league performance.

This isn't a dig, but you've been open about the fact that you don't watch a number of games, I'm not sure how many you do/don't, but I think maybe that's why you were so blind to the issues at hand. To anyone that's been observing, the Liverpool and Villa performances are no surprise at all, it's exactly what we've been seeing for ages, no organisation, no conviction, no guts, no clue at all.

It's an absolute shambles, it's as bad as it's ever been in the death throes of Ramos, AVB, Poch, Mourinho, Conte, or the caretaker reigns of Sherwood and Stellini.
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Imv it's slightly above Gross in the Spurs I've seen (memory goes back to around 1996). Perhaps also the death throes of Ramos too.
 
Archie said:
undoubtedly !! its all about opinions and I do respect yours
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Thanks mate! Same to you as well.

If I'm honest, my own bias towards defending coaches has also probably led me to disagreeing with people's opinions on Ange more than it should have. And I'm not doing that shit anymore.

Just get so tired of the same loop and no matter how different you and I both see it with Ange specifically, we've both found it pretty easy to agree that we will be right back here with whatever narrative it is that eventually sticks for the next coach. At some point we have to find a coach who can survive it, even if it's not Ange.
 
manmountainbutters said:
No it's not. You're right. Though depends on the odds I'm offering! They will be slashed if we push Ange onto QF02 asap!!
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We are getting into the perfect, Levy, sweet spot of indecision.

If they were going to move Ange on and replace him, the new coach could have had 2 weeks of training and playing 1 game a week and then another week before the EL to get some ideas in. Now we are approaching a period where any new coach will have rapidly decreasing time to make any changes and would be more and more likely to flop in the EL.
 
Saw somewhere the other day that we still need another 15 pts to stop this being our lowest or joint lowest points total, or equivalent, in our post war history. 80 fucking years. Worse than the season we went down and finished bottom with technically 41 pts.

We might hit mid/late 40s given returning players and some opposition sides not being arsed end of season but if you look at our fixtures if we dont get 4 to 6 pts in the next 2 winnable games i think he's going to beat the record if he stays.
 
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Even taken at face value, glossing over the fact that we had no business winning some of the matches we did such as Liverpool and Sheffield, that 10 match spell was not as heavenly as some people have been making it out to be. In the past other managers went through similar spells themselves, with much less resources in some cases.

Ole picked up a mess of a United team from JM halfway into the 18/19 season. After 17 weeks, they were sitting at 6th with 26 points. Ole went on to get 26 points from his first 10 matches, with a GD of +17 compared to Ange's +13.
Glasner, overtaking a relegation fodder Palace from Hodgson last season, finished the season by picking up 24 points from his remaining 13 matches, with a GD of +15.

You could argue that Ange deserves additional credit for doing what he did because it was right in the aftermath of Kane's departure and Stellini-Mason debacle, both of which had been contributing to an atmosphere of gloom around the club at that time, but then those two aforementioned managers hardly inherited rosy situations themselves.

The point is that this kind of stuff happens more often than people realize, Ange did not walk on water or something. It's a moot point anyway, as even if it was truly extraordinary it still wouldn't justify what he has been serving up since then.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
Thanks mate! Same to you as well.

If I'm honest, my own bias towards defending coaches has also probably led me to disagreeing with people's opinions on Ange more than it should have. And I'm not doing that shit anymore.

Just get so tired of the same loop and no matter how different you and I both see it with Ange specifically, we've both found it pretty easy to agree that we will be right back here with whatever narrative it is that eventually sticks for the next coach. At some point we have to find a coach who can survive it, even if it's not Ange.
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We all want spurs to be the best they can be and emotions (I'm as bad if not worse than the next guy/gal) get the better of all of us. Ultimately its not us who decide and that can lead to frustration and anger
 
djchotspur said:
Yeah exactly. they werent great at our place at all and with our first 11 we would take them to the cleaners. Much rather them than sociedad, as they play a very deep block and barely concede goals
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right.

16 shots on goal to their 9,
60 percent possession to their 40
600 completed passes to their 400

and that was with a front 3 of mikey moore, Richy and Timo, with Davies, Dragusin and Forster at the back. I'd happily take AZ again especially with us having the 2nd leg at home
 
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djchotspur said:
Yeah exactly. they werent great at our place at all and with our first 11 we would take them to the cleaners. Much rather them than sociedad, as they play a very deep block and barely concede goals
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Kaz Hirai said:
right.

16 shots on goal to there 9,
60 percent possession to their 40
600 completed passes to their 400

and that was with a front 3 of mikey moore, Richy and Timo, with Davies, Dragusin and Forster at the back. I'd happily take AZ again especially with us having the 2nd leg at home
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Interesting thing about Sociedad is the goal they conceded at Midgetyland. Underlap run from an inverted FB and low cross, cutback for a poachers finish in the box. Exactly the type of goal we try to score. I'd be interested to see if they have conceded a few of those already this season.
 
I just can't believe Postecoglou is still our manager.

I have completely switched-off caring, beyond safety.

The guy talks as though he gets it and yet we play and approach games in a manner that just makes you shake your head.

Weak-minded, poor in strategic terms, not clever and not one player who is markedly better today than when Postecoglou joined us.

Depressing.
 
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