• The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...

    Get involved!

Manager Ange Postecoglou

Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports

Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Great post.

Agree with everything you say.

If you look at what happened to both Jol and Redknapp, before the stadium build, they either had their best players sold, before or after they were sacked, or were not given the players they wanted / needed to build the squad.

Levy was distracted with the stadium build when Poch delivered the best results any ENIC manager has ever produced. Four consecutive Champions League qualifications,two genuine title challenges and a Champions League final. All achieved without players being added during consecutive transfer windows.

Once the miser had time on his hands, after the stadium re-build, to intefere in the football side again, Poch was sacked and Jose broke up Poch's team. Jose did the same job Juande Ramos did to Jol's team.

In other words; Levy's meddling sets managers up to fail every time he gets involved.

In industry it's called constructive dismissal but it is hard to prove.

Levy pays well for silence.

I strongly suspect that Ange was recruited because he will comply with Levy's bullshit regarding intefering in everything.

Including team selection in my opinion.

THFC need to be rid of Levy if winning trophies is ever going to be our serious ambition.

Anyone feeling sympathy for Levy would do well to remember the humiliating manner of Martin Jol's sacking.

ENIC and Levy need to go.

Levy will need persuading because he believes THFC belongs to him.
Yes Levy interferes with some decisions but most decisions when it comes to transfers are the recruitment teams.

Levy interference transfers:
Carrick was joining Portsmouth
Robbie Keane
Jermaine Defoe
Raphael Van Der Vaart
Modric.

Not everything Levy has done on the football side is shit just most of it.
 
He is here till the summer that much is certain now and tbh I am happy enough now with this situation. The last two wins in the league haven't been pretty but no victories are when you are on a run like we have been so I take them with thanks tbh.

I can't take much more debate and name calling about the subject lol!
 
I don’t know what you are even trying to say here but if you don’t want to win trophies that’s fine. I think it’s a weird stance to take as a Spurs fan but you do you mate
It's a second rate competition. Nations league of European football. I don't think it's acceptable to be so poor in the league even if you manage to win a competition for the smaller clubs.

I want to compete with the big teams and not settling for a cup nobody really cares about.

I care only about the league, the FA Cup and the champions league. The rest are all second rate. Better to win than not but not something to strive for.
 
I make Seville having won it 7 times, and us winning it for what would be the 3rd time 3/7th's, but you do you.

And I was there for both legs when we won that competition in 1984, and out in Ajax and Madrid in 2019.
Winning UEFA Cup was bigger and more memorable achievement than losing to Liverpool in final (although to be fair, won't ever forget the Ajax night). In fact in Amsterdam had lunch with Kaveh Solekul, he said to me "this must be Spurs biggest ever match", the CL Semi, I said "no, any final is bigger than any semi"
That's all good and nice memories I bet but the cups were different back then. Not the washed out versions that we have today. Too many teams and too little prestige now. All about making as much money as possible. And then that wasn't even enough so they created a third European cup.
 
Loop Trump GIF

The Europa is a great tournament to win.
Second tier to CL for sure but it gets the winners into the CL and it’s the stuff that European failures like Woolwich would love to have in their trophy cabinet.
It would be the greatest achievement of this club since 1984..
Getting to a CL final and losing is not the same as winning a major trophy.
All about opinion. Winning the nations league or getting into a world cup final in international football.
I know what I would prefer.

And playing a final on the biggest stage is something a club like West Ham could only dream of but they sure have a recent European victory.
 
It's a second rate competition. Nations league of European football. I don't think it's acceptable to be so poor in the league even if you manage to win a competition for the smaller clubs.

I want to compete with the big teams and not settling for a cup nobody really cares about.

I care only about the league, the FA Cup and the champions league.
The rest are all second rate. Better to win than not but not something to strive for.
See, that's the warped logic that sets everyone but a select few up for a fall...
The League, FA Cup and Champions League are prestigious, but the Europa League and League Cups aren't to be sniffed at... Or else why aren't we winning them every year, seeing as they're so beneath us?

That's all good and nice memories I bet but the cups were different back then. Not the washed out versions that we have today. Too many teams and too little prestige now. All about making as much money as possible. And then that wasn't even enough so they created a third European cup.
You're forgetting there always USED to be a Third European Trophy... the wonderfully named European Cup Winners Cup... simply because if you won it,you get to become the Cup Winners Cup winners!!!

Then doing away with it is what really started the rot...
It all became way too select, to the point they created the Champions League out of what should effectively been the UEFA Cup format revamped.

You already had your perfect format with 4-5 clubs qualifying through league positions, but by allowing 1st-4th into the Champions League, they effectively watered it down, so that it wasn't JUST the champions of each country competing each year.

This automatically lowered the level of quality, and thereby creating the 'Finishing 4th Trophy" monster!

Champions should ALWAYS only ever have competed in the European Cup.

The UEFA Cup would've been a ready made CL format, and the ECWC shoulda been left as the random club competition it often was!

I think I may have digressed!!!!!😬
 
All about opinion. Winning the nations league or getting into a world cup final in international football.
I know what I would prefer.

And playing a final on the biggest stage is something a club like West Ham could only dream of but they sure have a recent European victory.
Winning the euros or losing a World Cup final is more of an accurate analogy. And I’d 100% prefer England to win the euros than lose in a WC final. Nobody remembers the losers.
 
the injuries saved his job. he would've been sacked as we fell away from top 6 if there wasn't an excuse to prop him up. then things got too bad to salvage any kind of good league position so levy decided to ride it out
You can hear the flag waving r/coys and Twitter types bleating this nonsense all over the land today.

“Ange silences the haters!!” (Beating a ManUre team that’s in as much disarray as we are)

“We’re not 15th any more, we’re in a three way tie for 12th!” Yes, happy days are here again.

No the reason Ange is still in place is that there’s no chance of saving Europe next year, no further cups to play for, and Europa won’t be concluded until it’s too late to sack him before summer.

Ange has failed into an invulnerable position for the time being.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
the injuries saved his job. he would've been sacked as we fell away from top 6 if there wasn't an excuse to prop him up. then things got too bad to salvage any kind of good league position so levy decided to ride it out

Weird way to look at it. If anything it exacerbated the poor performances and hence the pressure on Ange.

Also you're assuming the results we've had would have been same IF there were no injuries.
 
Games coming up: Ipswich, City, Bournemouth, Fulham and Chelsea. Probably EL somewhere between these. Then Southampton and Wolves, two of the easiest games remaining this season (and the Ipswich one). If we put a good run of results then maybe the injuries excuse would be somewhat justified. But I highly doubt we’ll get higher than 9th/10th at the end of the season.
 
Back
Top