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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
StripiestPilot said:
Ange is absolutely not known as a project manager. His club jobs have been 2-3 years before he moves on.

He has no body of work to show that he can develop a young team over 4+ years. He’s very much a “win now” manager just from a much lower level than we’ve had before.
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Every club job he has rebuilt the teams.
Even with the Aussie National team, he removed some long standing stalwarts who were held in high esteem.
Don’t confuse results now with a long term strategy, cultural change, philosophical change, which is a long term project.
And as for no body of work over 4 plus years, he hasn’t had the opportunity due to his success. He keeps getting better offers, so he’s moved on.
 
Ionman34 said:
Because we're talking about our league form.
Why is it that when we were still in 3 cups, they didn't matter as our league form was so poor?

9 points in 3 games means very little?

Dear God!

No one has mentioned that. Why is your focus there? Can't you just enjoy the fact that we've gone on a winning run in the league?
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It didn’t matter when we were in 3 cups because it was very obvious that we were going to do faaaack all in them - 1-0 at home to Liverpool was never going to be enough and after watching us nearly get knocked out by Tamworth it was clear as day we would go out of the FA cup as soon as we played a competent side - the only surprise being that we weren’t knocked out by a champ side.

9 points in 3 games would be fantastic if we had something to play for, personally I’m not that excited about our quest to finish above Crystal Palace.

I enjoy winning games, it’s what it’s all about, but we’ve beaten low grade opposition in a league campaign that is essentially dead whilst exiting 2 cup comps in the same time period - I don’t get the excitement. If we were in the league cup final and got beat 3-0 yesterday, I would be far more excited.

We have all our eggs in the Europa basket, but the 2 times we have had to step up in class in that comp so far we have failed to win I can’t see Ange keeping his record of winning something in his second season this time.
 
whenstevewentup said:
for me -the inverted full back just doesn’t work , our press is not in synch either but the most worrying part today was the first 39 seconds where we almost let in the identical goal as we did against Villa , we just don’t learn . Great result , I’m pleased we are now safe but I don’t want this guy in charge next season .
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Absolutely...I wanna know what Ange is telling the right back to do. It's like we aren't playing anyone a RB...just leaving a load of space for the opposition to exploit
 
OziBeerMan said:
I think Ange will be given next season irrespective of results now. As long as we don’t go into freefall I should say. A quarter or semi in the EL and a finish around 8th in the PL, he’s safe.
Remember Levy signed him for 4 years. Ange is known as a project manager and Levy would have been sold that from Ange. It’s the one time Levy will actually show some restraint and try have some stability. He knows Ange is instilling cultural change. Plus the injury crisis has given him some leeway this season.
Wish him gone all you like, you’re going to be disappointed.
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8th with Cup and European SFs shouldn't be enough to keep you safe in your second season at this club. Not on it's own at least.

But tbh talking about the permutations of what will and won't keep a manager safe is fucking tedious because it just changes depending on what everyone's mood is after each result.

Those performances by Bergvall, Spence, and Gray would give me more pause when deciding Ange's future in the summer than anything else other than winning the EL but ultimately he's here for the rest of the season now and it makes more sense to just ride it out and see what it looks like when all is said and done.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
8th with Cup and European SFs shouldn't be enough to keep you safe in your second season at this club. Not on it's own at ,east.

But tbh talking about the permutations of what will and won't keep a manager safe is fucking tedious because it just changes depending on what everyone's mood is after each result.

Those performances by Bergvall, Spence, and Gray would give me more pause when deciding Ange's future in the summer than anything else other than winning the EL but ultimately he's here for the rest of the season now and it makes more sense to just ride it out and see what it looks like when all is said and done.
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Yep.

I was calling for his head but it makes sense to now wait until the summer. I can't see him keeping his job unless he makes a drastic change to his tactical approach, which we all know isn't happening.

However, if we somehow win the Europa I'll forgive him everything and get his face tattooed on my face.
 
Positives:
Second half was better managed yesterday. Also clear attacking patterns with Son and Johnson which won the game in the first half. More attempts with long balls and better structure across defence and midfield, without the batshit all over the field crazy pressing.

Negatives:
He needs to cut the passing out from the back, way too risky. The opening 15 minutes, absolute chaos.
 
Engorged Onion said:
Ahhh Rooster - whilst I am Antipodean, I have followed the EPL for decades, and even lived on White Hart Lane. Great times!

You should be thankful that whilst Tottenham fans like to think they're a deserving club (and they are successful financially and with support), having Ange on board allows the growth of interest in the club, unless of course you're xenophobic.

Tottenham have either being medicore for years, OR underachieved for years... but I am not sure which one it is... what's your take?

On the subject of telling me to get the fuck out of here... I appreciate your desire to be a 'gatekeeper' of appropriate supportership.

I'm sure when with other non english managers were installed, this forum would have had other nationalities following the club, and posting their thoughts? Unless of course, English wasn't their first language.

Anyway... it seems you are interested in my history, as you searched what I like to post on. So to give some further context, I too have followed a team that for nigh on 50 years failed to have success (after being very successful in the 50's and 60's) and finally won a trophy/premiership in 2021. The relief was palpable.

This forum reads EXACTLY the same as that forum (Demonland)... the same gnashing of teeth about the capability of the manager, the same posturing about who has more right to support a club. The same people going off the 'eye-test' versus those using 'data' in how they wish to interpret whether the club can win something or not. The same wringing of hands when there is a slump, the same failing to take into account how injuries impact performance, or other contextual nuances....etc etc.

Following sport is the same around the world... Setting a club up for success is the same around the world.

It needs stability and it needs an environment that promotes learning and psychological safety when learning...

Ange is a proven winner... and whilst there is a strong yearning for immediate success from the fan base... growth is NEVER linear, as much as we would like it to be... I can only imagine the reasons, the players are still playing for him... And whilst they are, then he is the right manager at this given point in time.
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Your right...Ange is a proven winner in crap leagues. Epl is way beyond him. Tottenham have been shit since Ange's 11th game. Hence flirting with relegation and losing at home to leicester, Ipswich etc. He is not the answer.
 
Richard Splash said:
It didn’t matter when we were in 3 cups because it was very obvious that we were going to do faaaack all in them - 1-0 at home to Liverpool was never going to be enough and after watching us nearly get knocked out by Tamworth it was clear as day we would go out of the FA cup as soon as we played a competent side - the only surprise being that we weren’t knocked out by a champ side.
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You really like to have your cake and eat it don't you? Cups are irrelevant because our league form was poor. Now our league form has improved, the complaint is about going out of the cups.
Richard Splash said:
9 points in 3 games would be fantastic if we had something to play for, personally I’m not that excited about our quest to finish above Crystal Palace.
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Personally I'm happy that we've started winning again, that's what being a supporter is about to me, enjoying the positives in what has been a pretty shitty season. There might not be that much excitement, but you take your pleasures where you can find them. If you don't that's on you, but that doesn't mean you should dig out those who do.
Richard Splash said:
I enjoy winning games, it’s what it’s all about, but we’ve beaten low grade opposition in a league campaign that is essentially dead whilst exiting 2 cup comps in the same time period - I don’t get the excitement. If we were in the league cup final and got beat 3-0 yesterday, I would be far more excited.
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I'm really not sure where you are getting this excitement from. I see a lot of cautious hope for the EL, but no excitement. Are you sure you're not pushing an invented scenario? Pretty much everyone here is down about our situation, it's been a shit season. That doesn't mean we can't look forward to improvement does it? That's not excitement, that's just positive hope.
Richard Splash said:
We have all our eggs in the Europa basket, but the 2 times we have had to step up in class in that comp so far we have failed to win I can’t see Ange keeping his record of winning something in his second season this time.
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Which is fair enough, I don't think many, if any, of us do. However, until we are actually out of the EL, why can't we look forward to the rest of the campaign with a degree of optimism? You might not, but why dig out those that do? Why does optimism bother you so much?
 
Think a lot will hinge on the EL ,clearly if we somehow won it that would proberly keep him in the job,overall league form hasn't been good enough and the recent wins while obviously welcome doesn't change things really much for me .Biggest thing can we turn up for the EL matches something we don't normally do when there is real pressure on us .
 
OziBeerMan said:
I think Ange will be given next season irrespective of results now. As long as we don’t go into freefall I should say. A quarter or semi in the EL and a finish around 8th in the PL, he’s safe.
Remember Levy signed him for 4 years. Ange is known as a project manager and Levy would have been sold that from Ange. It’s the one time Levy will actually show some restraint and try have some stability. He knows Ange is instilling cultural change. Plus the injury crisis has given him some leeway this season.
Wish him gone all you like, you’re going to be disappointed.
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Nah
 
Archie said:
Poster saying - 'Ange is a proven winner'
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I think that's more of a statement rather than a question. I don't think you can debate his track record of winning. You can debate the strength of those wins... but you can't argue he hasn't won. The real question to ask is more about whether or not Ange can win trophies at Spurs. If not Ange then who? I'll have a go at answering. No, I don't think Ange can win trophies here due to the chaotic nature of his football. When it's good, it's very good but it's easy to negate if the opposition has a) better players or b) better discipline and structure. For the second part of the question, if not Ange then who? Well that's the tricky one. We've tried everything with no joy and ultimately it's probably an ownership issue. However, if forced to pick, I would go for an ex top player type manager. Could we tempt Xavi?
 
Deuterz said:
I’d still place the bet mate, toe even goes on that line with me now and it’s instantaneous.

But yeah, nice and calm. Contrary to posts I actually enjoyed the game, it was an entertaining mess. Referee sucked. I enjoy league matches currently, actually feel like free hits.*

My enjoyment of the win won’t stop me from arguing back if someone gets in my E-face and screams ‘SEE? SEE YOU WERE WRONG IM A GENIUS’ because we won a match.

*sorry The Extra Mile(sey) The Extra Mile(sey)
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I'm Ange in now mate

Consecutive wins against teams placed 11th , 15th & 18th have shown me that something very serious is being built here

I wouldn't be surprised if we had a cheeky little dash towards that 4th spot by end of the season
 
Doom Funk said:
I'm Ange in now mate

Consecutive wins against teams placed 11th , 15th & 18th have shown me that something very serious is being built here

I wouldn't be surprised if we had a cheeky little dash towards that 4th spot by end of the season
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those teams would have been 9th and 12th if they weren't beaten btw

my recommendation is to beat man city again then beat burnedmouth, making it 5 wins from 5, that would confirm that the months of bad form were due to the injuries and we can settle the matter, the excuses were valid
 
Ionman34 said:
You really like to have your cake and eat it don't you? Cups are irrelevant because our league form was poor. Now our league form has improved, the complaint is about going out of the cups.

Personally I'm happy that we've started winning again, that's what being a supporter is about to me, enjoying the positives in what has been a pretty shitty season. There might not be that much excitement, but you take your pleasures where you can find them. If you don't that's on you, but that doesn't mean you should dig out those who do.

I'm really not sure where you are getting this excitement from. I see a lot of cautious hope for the EL, but no excitement. Are you sure you're not pushing an invented scenario? Pretty much everyone here is down about our situation, it's been a shit season. That doesn't mean we can't look forward to improvement does it? That's not excitement, that's just positive hope.

Which is fair enough, I don't think many, if any, of us do. However, until we are actually out of the EL, why can't we look forward to the rest of the campaign with a degree of optimism? You might not, but why dig out those that do? Why does optimism bother you so much?
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Your meant to eat cake, it’s the whole point.

The league wins are nice, but I’d rather be in a cup final than pushing for a top ten finish.

Others can enjoy it, good luck to them, I don’t want to detract. I am just not excited and am more interested in us hopefully securing Iraola in the summer ahead of Chelsea
 
Rodzilla said:
those teams would have been 9th and 12th if they weren't beaten btw

my recommendation is to beat man city again then beat burnedmouth, making it 5 wins from 5, that would confirm that the months of bad form were due to the injuries and we can settle the matter, the excuses were valid
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Why don’t we base it on 38 league games? Injuries will always happen, hasn’t blighted Iraola ‘s season has it - if he gets them CL it’s the biggest achievement since Ranieri fluked the league. If Forest do it as well then it really well show how shite Ange has done
 
Richard Splash said:
Why don’t we base it on 38 league games? Injuries will always happen, hasn’t blighted Iraola ‘s season has it - if he gets them CL it’s the biggest achievement since Ranieri fluked the league. If Forest do it as well then it really well show how shite Ange has done
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They lost 1-0 at home to Wolves yesterday and now have to go to Brighton on Tuesday. Looks like the injuries are catching up on them now.
 
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