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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Richard Splash said:
Why don’t we base it on 38 league games? Injuries will always happen, hasn’t blighted Iraola ‘s season has it - if he gets them CL it’s the biggest achievement since Ranieri fluked the league. If Forest do it as well then it really well show how shite Ange has done
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well lets do that, if the team recovers well to finish 8th and 10pts off the top 4 i will conclude that the normal luck version of spurs would have been easily in top 4 and that its not a fair finish

even last year when we were derailed when about to skip i think 5pts clear at the top of the league was not fair
 
Whether Ange gets next season or not is the debate and I still think he'll need a dramatically good end to the season to get next season! Finishing in the bottom half of the table or going out early in Europa would be the nail in the coffin come May.

However, I find it totally bizarre how fans can't appreciate that its no coincidence that we are winning games again now that we have most the injured players back. Even at 2-1 yesterday we could bring on the likes of Porro, Maddison and Odobert! A few weeks ago we would have nobody to bring on, just reguilon and bissouma! It makes a massive difference.

The injury crisis was the main cause for our dreadful run of form between November and January. That is just a fact.
 
Don Pedro said:
They lost 1-0 at home to Wolves yesterday and now have to go to Brighton on Tuesday. Looks like the injuries are catching up on them now.
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then we get to punish them for making our excuse look fake, people were saying why don't bournemouth struggle as if that is the only example of a team going through an injury crisis and so the science suggests all teams should be able to go through an injury crisis

they have a different squad and different schedule, maybe their reserve players are excellent and the first team was holding them back

ange's excuse making did create an excuse mentality and drop off from the squad, but now it also creates the excuses are over and a better mentality from the squad, excuses can be a good way to cope and they can be correct
 
Rodzilla said:
then we get to punish them for making our excuse look fake, people were saying why don't bournemouth struggle as if that is the only example of a team going through an injury crisis and so the science suggests all teams should be able to go through an injury crisis

they have a different squad and different schedule, maybe their reserve players are excellent and the first team was holding them back

ange's excuse making did create an excuse mentality and drop off from the squad, but now it also creates the excuses are over and a better mentality from the squad, excuses can be a good way to cope and they can be correct
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For me the jury was out on Ange the last 2 games. I said this as I believed all the excuses were genuine.

I said we have no excuses not to go and beat United and Ipswich. Had we lost them games then I'd have 100% turned on Ange. But we won them which makes me believe the excuses were always valid.

Woolwich are missing 4 forward players atm and can't beat West Ham at home after having a full week rest! Try missing up to 10 players for 3 months while you've a game every midweek!!
 
Engorged Onion said:
Ahhh Rooster - whilst I am Antipodean, I have followed the EPL for decades, and even lived on White Hart Lane. Great times!

You should be thankful that whilst Tottenham fans like to think they're a deserving club (and they are successful financially and with support), having Ange on board allows the growth of interest in the club, unless of course you're xenophobic.

Tottenham have either being medicore for years, OR underachieved for years... but I am not sure which one it is... what's your take?

On the subject of telling me to get the fuck out of here... I appreciate your desire to be a 'gatekeeper' of appropriate supportership.

I'm sure when with other non english managers were installed, this forum would have had other nationalities following the club, and posting their thoughts? Unless of course, English wasn't their first language.

Anyway... it seems you are interested in my history, as you searched what I like to post on. So to give some further context, I too have followed a team that for nigh on 50 years failed to have success (after being very successful in the 50's and 60's) and finally won a trophy/premiership in 2021. The relief was palpable.

This forum reads EXACTLY the same as that forum (Demonland)... the same gnashing of teeth about the capability of the manager, the same posturing about who has more right to support a club. The same people going off the 'eye-test' versus those using 'data' in how they wish to interpret whether the club can win something or not. The same wringing of hands when there is a slump, the same failing to take into account how injuries impact performance, or other contextual nuances....etc etc.

Following sport is the same around the world... Setting a club up for success is the same around the world.

It needs stability and it needs an environment that promotes learning and psychological safety when learning...

Ange is a proven winner... and whilst there is a strong yearning for immediate success from the fan base... growth is NEVER linear, as much as we would like it to be... I can only imagine the reasons, the players are still playing for him... And whilst they are, then he is the right manager at this given point in time.
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I am sorry you can fuck off. Ange being unable to manage at the top level does not make me xenophobic. It just means Ange Postecoglou is 59 and never had to adapt because the level has never required it. Even then his records at previous clubs is mediocre looking at win percentage.

Once Spurs sack him he will never manage at a top level again.
 
Dr Rocktopus said:
Yep.

I was calling for his head but it makes sense to now wait until the summer. I can't see him keeping his job unless he makes a drastic change to his tactical approach, which we all know isn't happening.

However, if we somehow win the Europa I'll forgive him everything and get his face tattooed on my face.
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Don Pedro said:
Whether Ange gets next season or not is the debate and I still think he'll need a dramatically good end to the season to get next season! Finishing in the bottom half of the table or going out early in Europa would be the nail in the coffin come May.

However, I find it totally bizarre how fans can't appreciate that its no coincidence that we are winning games again now that we have most the injured players back. Even at 2-1 yesterday we could bring on the likes of Porro, Maddison and Odobert! A few weeks ago we would have nobody to bring on, just reguilon and bissouma! It makes a massive difference.

The injury crisis was the main cause for our dreadful run of form between November and January. That is just a fact.
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Injuries don't help but, they was used as an excuse at times for piss poor performance levels.
The team has been poor all season, with or without Injuries.
Team cannot defend properly because of the open nature of the tactics, manager isn't really good enough to get take the club to where it needs to be.
Having said that, nor is our chairman good enough either, club needs change at management level across the club and that is a fact.
 
skywalker68 said:
Injuries don't help but, they was used as an excuse at times for piss poor performance levels.
The team has been poor all season, with or without Injuries.
Team cannot defend properly because of the open nature of the tactics, manager isn't really good enough to get take the club to where it needs to be.
Having said that, nor is our chairman good enough either, club needs change at management level across the club and that is a fact.
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He's only ever managed at amateur level.

Or pub level if you count Celtic
 
Don Pedro said:
Whether Ange gets next season or not is the debate and I still think he'll need a dramatically good end to the season to get next season! Finishing in the bottom half of the table or going out early in Europa would be the nail in the coffin come May.

However, I find it totally bizarre how fans can't appreciate that its no coincidence that we are winning games again now that we have most the injured players back. Even at 2-1 yesterday we could bring on the likes of Porro, Maddison and Odobert! A few weeks ago we would have nobody to bring on, just reguilon and bissouma! It makes a massive difference.

The injury crisis was the main cause for our dreadful run of form between November and January. That is just a fact.
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We were losing to Palace and Ipswich pre injury
 
Rodzilla said:
well lets do that, if the team recovers well to finish 8th and 10pts off the top 4 i will conclude that the normal luck version of spurs would have been easily in top 4 and that its not a fair finish

even last year when we were derailed when about to skip i think 5pts clear at the top of the league was not fair
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Not fair, how faaacking old are you

I suppose you don’t believe the way Ange has us playing has anything to do with the injuries?
 
Engorged Onion said:
You're having a laugh! Lack of experience at top level? The entitlement of the EPL followers... who think their league is somehow magically different to all other leagues that play a similar amount of games...and thus the process is magically different.

Again, how is it possible to rotate when you've got 3 games a week and limited players.

It's a nothing piece of literature that... It would have been earmarked months ago as to when he/the high performance management team can give players a rest...
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First of all, I did not refer particularly to the EPL but to any of the top leagues in Europe. There are other so-called top leagues, too, in case you didn't know.
You are obviously not aware that it is (very) different to play in and manage a top league club compared to a “lesser” league due to quality of opponents, the demand to perform on a higher level all the time, the physical & mental pressure, etc.
With you logic any head-coach doing well in any league around the world could take over as head-coach for any top club with ease and players dominating in those “less” league would easily do well in “top” leagues, since you don’t think there is much of a difference. But it happens very-very rarely (yes, there are some few exceptions).
Managing and winning the Scottish league with Celtic, a team that could win the league with its 2nd team, is a totally different ball game than doing well with a EPL club (or a club in the Bundesliga or La Liga or Seri A).

An experience head-coach would start rotating the players before he’s been forced to do so when more and more players go injured - due to lack of squad rotation. And this lack of rotation caused more injuries which further limited the team selections. His lack of experience in top level coaching certainly showed up in his lack of understanding how to rotate the squad. And it proved costly.

So if it was earmarked months ago why didn’t Spurs apply those practices until now?
 
Don Pedro said:
Whether Ange gets next season or not is the debate and I still think he'll need a dramatically good end to the season to get next season! Finishing in the bottom half of the table or going out early in Europa would be the nail in the coffin come May.

However, I find it totally bizarre how fans can't appreciate that its no coincidence that we are winning games again now that we have most the injured players back. Even at 2-1 yesterday we could bring on the likes of Porro, Maddison and Odobert! A few weeks ago we would have nobody to bring on, just reguilon and bissouma! It makes a massive difference.

The injury crisis was the main cause for our dreadful run of form between November and January. That is just a fact.
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Agree but made worse by some of the tactics employed
 
Rodzilla said:
those teams would have been 9th and 12th if they weren't beaten btw

my recommendation is to beat man city again then beat burnedmouth, making it 5 wins from 5, that would confirm that the months of bad form were due to the injuries and we can settle the matter, the excuses were valid
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Does that settle the matter? Let's face it, Man City are our rabbits. Even when they are flying and we are shit we tend to beat them. Bournemouth whilst doing well, have a squad that cost a fraction of ours and we should be beating them at home. For me, when you're up against it is when you judge your manager and frankly he wasn't able to cope when the injuries struck. He didn't even try to change style to accommodate the players he had available. He just threw them out there like lambs to the slaughter and guess what, they got slaughtered. I fully expect us to beat both teams which would mean 5 on the spin but that doesn't change the fact I want Ange gone. Champions League is the goal. If he doesn't achieve let's have the next cab off the rank.
 
Rodzilla said:
ange has won titles around the world, he didn't do it while suffering an injury crisis at each club, so yes i deny that he is responsible for this, maybe the rushing back players too soon but thats ok

stop blaming the victim
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Angelos has himself gone out and told that in his 1st season at clubs they normally suffering a high rate of hamstring injuries but that the players will get used to it in the 2nd season - which didn't happen at Spurs.
 
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