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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Deuterz said:
We have lost far too many games we have no excuse to this season. And you can’t just write off all the ones that happened whilst we had injuries as not mattering because we had injuries. That’s insane.

Bottom line - Ange has failed to steer the team to acceptable results, regardless of why. Unless he wins the Europa league, he should be finished here.
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Lol you sound like my ex-wife -

A reason isn't an excuse and neither are writing something off - two truths can exist simultaneously.

We have lost games we should have won - the reason why we lost games is because X Y or Z

We have also lost games that we shouldn't have, and have lost to teams who have beaten teams with stronger lineups on the pitch we had.

None of this means Ange doesnt deserve criticism - I personally think it means the players should get less criticism more than anyone.
 
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bk_spur said:
Ange has had a very large hand in his own injury crisis- poor squad construction, refusal to rotate, strange subs that seem to harm player fitness, running favorites into the ground, rushing players back from injury. It's not reasonable to state that the injury crisis is simply an incredible bit of unluck.
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He rotated LOADS in the cups..... why is there this revisionism?
 
bk_spur said:
Ange has had a very large hand in his own injury crisis- poor squad construction, refusal to rotate, strange subs that seem to harm player fitness, running favorites into the ground, rushing players back from injury. It's not reasonable to state that the injury crisis is simply an incredible bit of unluck.
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The truth is somehwere in the middle of course. If you are taking strong sides either way then you are probably wrong.

My point is that some fans were adament the results would not get better when our players cameback from injury. Hence the relegation thread. This type of hysteria became contagious on here and was always OTT
 
dudu said:
He rotated LOADS in the cups..... why is there this revisionism?
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That's just your personal opinion Dudu. My opinion is that Ange's failure to proactively rotate and rest players has led to our "historic" injury crisis. You say he rotated, he was forced to because he had almost no other fit and healthy options- because of his lack of proactive rotation and rest in earlier games.
 
Don Pedro said:
The truth is somehwere in the middle of course. If you are taking strong sides either way then you are probably wrong.

My point is that some fans were adament the results would not get better when our players cameback from injury. Hence the relegation thread. This type of hysteria became contagious on here and was always OTT
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If you review that thread, I never said that we would get relegated, I just said that we were mathematically close to it actually happening.
 
You know what, I dont believe this blokes a good coach. I've seen the flaws before we were losing record numbers of games and I said so. But I support Spurs and for decades have been up and down the country to that commitment. I have given up on continuing to do this because the strategic direction of Levy and ENIC is not centered on the mens football team, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to be happy about us winning three games on the bounce. For me, for all the people like Mrs Perryman Mrs Perryman still travelling all over, for my mates 8 year old, whose tired of being bullied by the gooners at his school. Will it last probably not but let's hope so.
 
He said in his presser today that assists are the most useless stat in world football and they don’t impress him. This clown actually said that.
 
bk_spur said:
Ange has had a very large hand in his own injury crisis- poor squad construction, refusal to rotate, strange subs that seem to harm player fitness, running favorites into the ground, rushing players back from injury. It's not reasonable to state that the injury crisis is simply an incredible bit of unluck.
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Sorry but I don't agree. Poor squad construction? What has that to do with losing 50% of your squad?

Refusal to rotate? Who hasn't he rotated apart from Porro and Kulusevski?

Strange subs that seem to harm player fitness? You what?

Running favourites into the ground. I'm assuming you're talking about Porro and Kulusevski? What choice did he have with Porro? With Udogie injured he had to play Spence left, as Davies was either playing in VDV's spot or was injured himself. Kulusevski very similar, either having to play on the right as BJ was injured, or centrally because Madison was injured.

Rushing players back from injury? You might have a case with VDV, though I think there's an underlying issue there, but who else has he rushed back? If you're referring to Romero, you do know that his latest injury had nothing to do with his previous one yes? He recovered from the toe injury, his current one is his quadriceps. Totally unrelated and nothing to do with "rushing him back."

If you look at the nature of the injuries we've had, you almost have to say we've been incredibly unlucky. I can understand the accusations concerning hamstrings where our defenders are concerned, but not with our wingers who are expected to be sprinting regularly. Here's a list of the injuries suffered;

Solanke: Knee injury suffered by twisting it when shooting.
Dragusin: ACL went when his planted foot slipped.
Odobert: Hamstring after playing less than 2 full matches.
Vicario: Broken ankle after collision.
Romero: Thigh injury, following toe ligament damage.
Mikey Moore: Severe illness, no injury.
VDV: Hamstring.
Richarlison: Take your pick here, he's had numerous different ones.
Udogie: Hamstring
Werner: Hamstring
Johnson: Calf injury

I can't be bothered to put anymore up, but you can see that there's a variety of different injuries in there, the majority of which you can look at and feel we've been incredibly unlucky with, particularly with them all happening at pretty much the same time.

To flat out ignore this is just disingenuous.
 
bk_spur said:
That's just your personal opinion Dudu. My opinion is that Ange's failure to proactively rotate and rest players has led to our "historic" injury crisis. You say he rotated, he was forced to because he had almost no other fit and healthy options- because of his lack of proactive rotation and rest in earlier games.
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It's not just an opinion though - it can be backed up with facts.

We rotated lightly in the league, especially in MF early on in the season -we rotated heavily in the cups once we started playing 2 games a week.

My personal opinion, kinda backed up by most professional managers, is you rarely rotate your best 11 - especially defenders if you're only playing once a week.
 
Pól said:
He said in his presser today that assists are the most useless stat in world football and they don’t impress him. This clown actually said that.
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I don’t like him but he has a point. Players used to get assists for a sideways pass in midfield and then Messi running through 3-4 players and scoring. Players get assists because of really simple stuff which requires very little skill, and unlike a tap in you're not even demonstrating good positioning, awareness etc.

It can be a really misleading stat dependent on how clinical your team is too - Palmer and Salah have very similar expected assists but one has 16 and the other 6. Why? More clinical teammates..

Other metrics show creativity more even though it is a VERY difficult thing to measure.
 
Pól said:
So what made KDB one of the best midfielders the premier league has ever seen is completely worthless? Not impressive?
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KDB led basically every creativity metric during that time, not just assists. His expected assists, key passes etc were always exceptional. And just watching him you could see he was a creative footballer. Salah right now has 16 assists, he might best any KDB season ... do you think he's more creative than KDB? Not even close.

Its a stat which is massively influenced by luck and outside factors. More than any other.
 
Ionman34 said:
Sorry but I don't agree. Poor squad construction? What has that to do with losing 50% of your squad?

Refusal to rotate? Who hasn't he rotated apart from Porro and Kulusevski?

Strange subs that seem to harm player fitness? You what?

Running favourites into the ground. I'm assuming you're talking about Porro and Kulusevski? What choice did he have with Porro? With Udogie injured he had to play Spence left, as Davies was either playing in VDV's spot or was injured himself. Kulusevski very similar, either having to play on the right as BJ was injured, or centrally because Madison was injured.

Rushing players back from injury? You might have a case with VDV, though I think there's an underlying issue there, but who else has he rushed back? If you're referring to Romero, you do know that his latest injury had nothing to do with his previous one yes? He recovered from the toe injury, his current one is his quadriceps. Totally unrelated and nothing to do with "rushing him back."

If you look at the nature of the injuries we've had, you almost have to say we've been incredibly unlucky. I can understand the accusations concerning hamstrings where our defenders are concerned, but not with our wingers who are expected to be sprinting regularly. Here's a list of the injuries suffered;

Solanke: Knee injury suffered by twisting it when shooting.
Dragusin: ACL went when his planted foot slipped.
Odobert: Hamstring after playing less than 2 full matches.
Vicario: Broken ankle after collision.
Romero: Thigh injury, following toe ligament damage.
Mikey Moore: Severe illness, no injury.
VDV: Hamstring.
Richarlison: Take your pick here, he's had numerous different ones.
Udogie: Hamstring
Werner: Hamstring
Johnson: Calf injury

I can't be bothered to put anymore up, but you can see that there's a variety of different injuries in there, the majority of which you can look at and feel we've been incredibly unlucky with, particularly with them all happening at pretty much the same time.

To flat out ignore this is just disingenuous.
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He's the one actually causing these injuries...
 
Ionman34 said:
Sorry but I don't agree. Poor squad construction? What has that to do with losing 50% of your squad?

Refusal to rotate? Who hasn't he rotated apart from Porro and Kulusevski?

Strange subs that seem to harm player fitness? You what?

Running favourites into the ground. I'm assuming you're talking about Porro and Kulusevski? What choice did he have with Porro? With Udogie injured he had to play Spence left, as Davies was either playing in VDV's spot or was injured himself. Kulusevski very similar, either having to play on the right as BJ was injured, or centrally because Madison was injured.

Rushing players back from injury? You might have a case with VDV, though I think there's an underlying issue there, but who else has he rushed back? If you're referring to Romero, you do know that his latest injury had nothing to do with his previous one yes? He recovered from the toe injury, his current one is his quadriceps. Totally unrelated and nothing to do with "rushing him back."

If you look at the nature of the injuries we've had, you almost have to say we've been incredibly unlucky. I can understand the accusations concerning hamstrings where our defenders are concerned, but not with our wingers who are expected to be sprinting regularly. Here's a list of the injuries suffered;

Solanke: Knee injury suffered by twisting it when shooting.
Dragusin: ACL went when his planted foot slipped.
Odobert: Hamstring after playing less than 2 full matches.
Vicario: Broken ankle after collision.
Romero: Thigh injury, following toe ligament damage.
Mikey Moore: Severe illness, no injury.
VDV: Hamstring.
Richarlison: Take your pick here, he's had numerous different ones.
Udogie: Hamstring
Werner: Hamstring
Johnson: Calf injury

I can't be bothered to put anymore up, but you can see that there's a variety of different injuries in there, the majority of which you can look at and feel we've been incredibly unlucky with, particularly with them all happening at pretty much the same time.

To flat out ignore this is just disingenuous.
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We will never agree I can't stand to even look at him but you have put up a very good argument there.
 
Them clowns on LWOS coming out with absolute gems such as "some Spurs fans don't like Ange cause he's Australian" or "the team's struggled cause Ange hasn't been backed".

Who gives a toss he's an Ozzie, like seriously. And not backed? He's had 400 mil to spend.

Bunch of helmets.
 
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