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Management Ange Postecoglou

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CeltfanDan said:
He got the job because like the top men at Villa and others, the top men at Spurs didn't realise or didn't accept the sheer gulf in class between the SPL and the EPL.

The only Celtic or Rangers manager in recent years that could possibly bridge that gulf would be Brendan Rogers, who has already proven he can perform at that level.

When Ange got the job I was kind of worried because just about every game would be a CL level game. However I thought he might be ok as he'd have CL level players.
I was wrong and so were the people who appointed him.
Spurs and indeed all EPL teams should learn from it. Alex Ferguson is possibly the best manager the EPL has seen. But managers like that aren't ten a penny and he at least won 2 European trophies before coming to England.
If Spurs aren't going to bring in a manager from one of the top leagues, then the next level would be leagues like Portugal Holland the Balkans etc. The SPL is a bit below that level.
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Can I commenend you for being utterly clear headed and unemotional in you analysis of a league the side you support is in. It's utterly refreshing to see someone fully able to contextualise their own team without partisan blinkers. I wish we had more Spurs supports like you.

Do you think Celtics struggling under Ange in Europe in hindsight was the most obvious clue our board overlooked.?
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Can I commenend you for being utterly clear headed and unemotional in you analysis of a league the side you support is in. It's utterly refreshing to see someone fully able to contextualise their own team without partisan blinkers. I wish we had more Spurs supports like you.

Do you think Celtics struggling under Ange in Europe in hindsight was the most obvious clue our board overlooked.?
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I think most Scottish fans know. It's the Aussie ones that genuinely, 100% believe managing a team called Roar or Zebras is the same as managing in the Premier League.
 
phi_effect said:
Great video. Those sprints back when we lose the ball are killers. Ange should have done what Barca used to do and leave their 2-3 defenders to deal with counters. The rest of the team always jogged back cause they knew they'd outscore the opposition most of the time
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Barca do that because they have the players, we don't.

There's not a lot of difference between the two play styles.
 
Hampshire Spur said:
Let's be honest Ange dont have the tactical nous to get us a result on Sunday. If we had poch or an elite manager we possibly could though.
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history would say that its extremely unlikely no matter who's in charge. haven't won their since 2011 in the league, and isn't it like twice or 3 times since the titanic sunk

considering the game on thursday i really wouldn't bother and start rewarding some of the academy kids like United did last weekend, mikey moore for one
 
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daveyboy88 said:
on the face of it. however, if youre actually responsible for these appointments then you do your homework...if you know he has a suicidal approach and does not change, then you stay well clear! its beyond words that the club have actually signed this muppet. hes the worst manager in the history of the premier league by far.

others would argue his resume to that point didnt have anywhere near the level required for it to work in a top league like the prem. they would have a point, i do believe that if someone understands the game then they would work pretty much anywhere, but postecoglou is far from being a football person anyway. he proved that against chelsea with 9 men, hes been a fucking joke ever since.
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I thought only got him because everyone else turned us down yet again and we had to go to Base to get us a manager. Remember that whole farce with Nagelsmann and us saying we didn’t offer him the job when he’d actually turned us down. Watch tHe same think happen again and we end up with McKenna and the club try and spin it out as him being our number one choice.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Mate I get PTSD flashbacks from the passionate defence of the injury causing tactics and it's obvious attrition rates. People like Richard Arlison Richard Arlison and a few others ( Ange clowns )I've now blocked just would not hear. Kept screaming like irrationally teenage girls at a BTS concert. "But City Press"! The most obvious fucking cause and effect since the meteor and the dinosaur. They would not budge.
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Fuck you tag me for if you've blocked me?

No doubt you are right about everything in your life so don't need to listen to anyone. May as well block anyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you.

That way you can avoid "PTSD", petal.

Fucking prick.
 
Crowny said:
But the point he isn't successful, and what's coming out of his miserable mouth is a major pointer as to why he isn't.

The truculence with the media and our own fans reveals a thin skin unlike anything I can remember in this league - certainly from a THFC manager and I'd have to be reminded of others from other teams. You can imagine Roy Keane being like that and also Di Canio - and where did their managerial careers go when they were exposed at the top level?

His way of handling pressure is to be combative but with the mask of not caring about criticsm. It's just fucking bollox, nobody is falling for it anymore, and more importantly, it's surely not how a successful person who has to inspire others behaves.

Then there's his public analysis of our games. Saying we controlled a game against Wolves where we conceded 4 goals and we were outstanding against Forest when they should have 3-0 up is just risible nonsense and fucking thick. Wolves hadn't scored more than 2 goals at home before we played them and our football when Forest just sat back with their lead was ok at times - but it was never remotely outstanding or resembling anything like how we played at times last season.

Something has turned him into a blithering fucking idiot - presumably the pressure - which he says he doesn't feel - when he's clearly losing his rag....

Fluking a European trophy would be epic but it will not make Ange successful. The league is your bread and butter barometer of how good you are. Go and watch that Brian Clough interview with John Motson. The 1st question was which out the 4 competitions is the most important, and Clough's answer told you everything.

Ange has made losing in the league normal. It's completely farcical. He has to go. He surely doesn't want to be here anyway and the feeling is mutual. Win in Bilbao hopefully and part ways on a high.
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Brilliant.
Absolutely brilliant!
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Do you think Celtics struggling under Ange in Europe in hindsight was the most obvious clue our board overlooked.?
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I don't think so as Celtic with few exceptions have always struggled in Europe in recent times.
I think the clues were Martin O'Neil who took Celtic to a Euro final but came up short at Villa and Sunderland. Neil Lennon who famously mananged Celtic to a victory over Barca, but despite starting well at Bolton, ultimatley failed. Walter Smith at Everton, and there could be other examples as well.
Then there's the players. Kenny Dalgliesh was a legend at Celtic and had the same impact at Liverpool, then also won the EPL as a manager. But that was a while ago. Since then the only player in my opinion who could and should have made a major impact on the EPL was Tierney, but injuries made that impossible.
Andy Robertson deserves a good mention as well.
However there is plenty of evidence that managers and players who have been greats in Scotland have failed to reach anything like that level in England, and that's what the Spurs board missed.
 
CeltfanDan said:
I don't think so as Celtic with few exceptions have always struggled in Europe in recent times.
I think the clues were Martin O'Neil who took Celtic to a Euro final but came up short at Villa and Sunderland. Neil Lennon who famously mananged Celtic to a victory over Barca, but despite starting well at Bolton, ultimatley failed. Walter Smith at Everton, and there could be other examples as well.
Then there's the players. Kenny Dalgliesh was a legend at Celtic and had the same impact at Liverpool, then also won the EPL as a manager. But that was a while ago. Since then the only player in my opinion who could and should have made a major impact on the EPL was Tierney, but injuries made that impossible.
Andy Robertson deserves a good mention as well.
However there is plenty of evidence that managers and players who have been greats in Scotland have failed to reach anything like that level in England, and that's what the Spurs board missed.
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Van Dijk is probably the best modern example of a player making the step from the SPL to the EPL. But he did take a few years to develop into who he was at his peak.

Henrik Larsson was appreciated as a super sub during his brief spell at United. But that was so late in his career and came off of a spell at Barcelona so not really sure how good of an example he is.
 
PointToPatrik said:
Van Dijk is probably the best modern example of a player making the step from the SPL to the EPL. But he did take a few years to develop into who he was at his peak.

Henrik Larsson was appreciated as a super sub during his brief spell at United. But that was so late in his career and came off of a spell at Barcelona so not really sure how good of an example he is.
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Van Dijk is a great call. But he did indeed take an adaption period. Also look at Cameron Carter-Vickers been a very solid pro in Scotland.
 
PointToPatrik said:
Van Dijk is probably the best modern example of a player making the step from the SPL to the EPL. But he did take a few years to develop into who he was at his peak.

Henrik Larsson was appreciated as a super sub during his brief spell at United. But that was so late in his career and came off of a spell at Barcelona so not really sure how good of an example he is.
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Thanks for that fogot about VVD, although he did have to go to a lesser EPL team before getting to the big boys.
 
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