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Management Ange Postecoglou

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A lot of what Ange has said is correct. The club are taken for a laughing stock all the time, regardless of finishing 4th or 16th. We’re constantly bantered about trophies, despite being one of the most successful in England. Pundits like Carragher constantly talk us down and other media companies just accept it.



He might have let us down this season in the league, but he does genuinely want the club to be successful and want the media to stop the narrative they have.

Ange the manager and Ange the man are two separate things, and the man speaks a lot of sense about the state of the game, the club and the future.
 
ThePreacher said:
Player injuries
Will play better when they return
Returning players not up to fitness
Changing lineup because of the number of games not helping
Fixture congestion
Having to play young kids
Mole in the camp


It's a rinse and repeat number of excuses rehashed to fit the result.

He's toast, and he knows it, Europa League win or not.
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Yep he can hear the death knell tolling and he’s in full preservation mode!

I’m sick of seeing this guy’s mug and hearing his waffle!
 
Gatsby said:
A lot of what Ange has said is correct. The club are taken for a laughing stock all the time, regardless of finishing 4th or 16th. We’re constantly bantered about trophies, despite being one of the most successful in England. Pundits like Carragher constantly talk us down and other media companies just accept it.



He might have let us down this season in the league, but he does genuinely want the club to be successful and want the media to stop the narrative they have.

Ange the manager and Ange the man are two separate things, and the man speaks a lot of sense about the state of the game, the club and the future.
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I think this is quite accurate.

In that respect, it's a real shame Postecoglou has not been able to solve the riddle.
 
Ange is not wrong that there is a narrative around Tottenham but unfortunately we’ve earned it through years of soft teams that can’t handle pressure. It’s justified.

Ange might be earnestly trying to change that but he has failed completely. There has never been a Tottenham team that is easier to beat than his.
 
Brian Fantana said:
And now we have a manager, who according to Djed Spence, allows them to fail on the pitch without criticism because if they do it’s because he’s asked them to play in a certain way (that doesn’t work) so it’s on him. Then we wonder why the players don’t really look bothered!

Get Poch back in, get them walking on hot coals in training with an arrow at their throats and toughen them up. The only time any of what you say didn’t seem true was when he was here. Let him try and turn this lot into warriors, get rid of those who won’t, and get them facing some responsibility like men.
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That comes from him allowing the players to play without fear of making mistakes, to build their confidence, playing with postivity. If the players then take that to mean they can fuck about without consequences then that 's on them.

I wish Poch anybody else- bar the likes of Guardiola or Ancelotti good luck in "toughening" this lot up.
 
Shadydan said:
The narrative isn't shifting until we win, it's as simple as that. It didn't shift when Poch had us in our prime and won't do until we lift a trophy.
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I disagree - it began to shift a little - but we certainly didn’t help ourselves by losing all of our SFs. I definitely recall time when we were viewed as challengers to the big teams on a consistent basis - but our equally consistent efforts to slip up when the moment came made the comfortable Dr Tottenham reappear.

Having said that, the fiasco of this last year has set the hard work that’s happened over the past ten years or so back quite a way IMO. Whoever comes in after Ange will have to work extra hard and hit the ground running.

It wasn’t so long ago that we were Citeh’s bogey team; it wasn’t so long ago when we were used to giving Liverpool a very good challenge / going over at WHL; we consistently beat Utd even when they weren’t quite the shitshow they are now. I think we’re in danger of forgetting that the past two years are in contrast to our achievements since Redknapp at least. Yes, Levy is a part of the issue; but we’ve created our own narrative.

At least we were in the conversation before - now, thanks to Ange IMO, we’re expected to be beaten week-in, week-out.
 
StripiestPilot said:
Ange is not wrong that there is a narrative around Tottenham but unfortunately we’ve earned it through years of soft teams that can’t handle pressure. It’s justified.

Ange might be earnestly trying to change that but he has failed completely. There has never been a Tottenham team that is easier to beat than his.
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Because he is going about it the completely wrong way.

His idea is that he is going to drill his gameplan into them and they are just going to play that against everyone and overcome their opponents by "working harder". That doesn't work because that type of thinking operates in a vacuum and doesn't take outside factors (like the other team for example) into account. Tough teams aren't these ideological purist teams that only play their way, tough teams know how to deal with whatever is thrown at them and adapting to it.
Cruyff was perfectly fine with changing his total football up when it wasn't working.

There's a reason that most martial arts start out with teaching you defence and counters and such. You grow tougher by learning how to cope with someone hurling offence at you. And then you add you attacking game to your defensive one.

Football works similarly.
 
ChrissyWaddleShares said:
Also didn’t have wingers capable of doing it - he’s playing to the system and not having the players to do it. Myopic.
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Think Ange recommend both Johnson and werner to board and Tel. Underwhelmed with all 3 tbh. But a developer coach could get more out of Tel and johnson imo. Werner is simply shit, Tel is very raw and johnson has no trickery in his armoury. Negligence imo by coaching staff not adding trickery to johnsons game as has a goal in him but fuck all skill.
 
ChrissyWaddleShares said:
I disagree - it began to shift a little - but we certainly didn’t help ourselves by losing all of our SFs. I definitely recall time when we were viewed as challengers to the big teams on a consistent basis - but our equally consistent efforts to slip up when the moment came made the comfortable Dr Tottenham reappear.

Having said that, the fiasco of this last year has set the hard work that’s happened over the past ten years or so back quite a way IMO. Whoever comes in after Ange will have to work extra hard and hit the ground running.

It wasn’t so long ago that we were Citeh’s bogey team; it wasn’t so long ago when we were used to giving Liverpool a very good challenge / going over at WHL; we consistently beat Utd even when they weren’t quite the shitshow they are now. I think we’re in danger of forgetting that the past two years are in contrast to our achievements since Redknapp at least. Yes, Levy is a part of the issue; but we’ve created our own narrative.

At least we were in the conversation before - now, thanks to Ange IMO, we’re expected to be beaten week-in, week-out.
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Haven't you just agreed with me here :D
 
Doom Funk said:
He's such a cunt
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Who asked him to lose a game? He needs to report that to the powers-that-be as that sounds like gambling malfeasance.

Or is he just holding a grudge because he never really understood how the history of the club works? It wouldn’t have been hard for him to come out last year and talk about understanding the history and rivalry and then still talking about wanting to instill a winning mentality.

He can’t cope with being criticised. Not an issue as long as there’s nothing to criticise.
 
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