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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Haha absolutely not. It's not hard to see the Europe League success if we actually win it, in isolation.
For me and I think many fans, the bread and butter is the league. The annoying thing about this season is we've been so so poor, that it will take the gloss off winning a european trophy.
A club like us should be combining a top 4 challenge with winning the Europa, not a relegation battle.
You can win a cup with 3 or 4 good games a season, but the league is every week and you need to deliver.
Which is why the Poch years were so enjoyable, even if we finished empty handed. We looked forward to seeing a quality side beating the opposition almost every week, home and away. That is priceless. Seeing opposition fans jealous of how good we were.
It was great.
Football is weird, in that you can win a trophy and still be a shit side, although it doesn't happen often. What is more important, top 4 finish or a cup win? IMO you have to have both. A cup win whilst finishing 17th is frankly pathetic. It should be top 4/6 and a cup win.
We are where we are though, so all that is left for this season is to win the Europa League and then move on from this dreadful season.
But next season, our bread and butter is the league and we must be much much improved. We can't be losing as many as we have this season, end of.
for me this cup will be diminished by all the losses in the league. sure, i'll be happy but i certainly won't fondly remember this awful season the way i remember a lot of the poch years when it felt like we could beat anyone in the world on our day. but that's spurs innit? finally get a trophy and it's a season where we lose more than half our matches and are coached by a cunt i despise.
Remind me, what did Pochettino win? I'm actually not going to get into this with you... you're happy with mediocrity because it's better than what Ange is serving up, but I'm not... Also when I "misuse a quote" which by they way I got it perfectly right for the context I was aiming for i.e none of those three are good enough in my opinion... at least have the fucking decency to know who was responsible for the quote.
Tbh I hope one player comes out and is very candid about this season and situation. Something along the lines of ange was one of shittest managers I've worked under.
I doubt Levy is!
No trophies for Poch but what he did win for 2-3 years was respect from the PL and no one wanted to play against us!
Statistically we were the best team in the PL during this time but, of course, no trophies to show for it!
Player of the year and young player awards last home game of season. Hand the awards out etc. Then final award should be special achievement award of the season. Hand a framed P45 to Ange on the pitch and kindly ask him to leave. I can live with that.
No kindly about it just tell the fraud to fuck off from our club!
This season we've never really been in danger of relegation as bad as we've benn.
And yes ideally would be top 4 and making semi's of the ECL regularly but in the real world when was the last time we won anything and finished top 4?
IF..and IMO its a big IF...we win the Europa, in the years to come this will just be seen as the dreadfully weird season when we were the shittest we've been and yet won a trophy and qualified for the Champions League. And I, like many will gladly take it
Yes Pocchetino's team was great watching,but history is full of teams like that who won nothing.
I would argue that reaching the Champions League final is one of the greatest achievements in the clubs history since it is the pinnacle of world football.
From a club perspective, qualifying for the champions league AND winning Europa League would make it a very successful season; and arguably better than Woolwich finishing 2nd with zero trophy.
From a fan perspective, we have had a raw deal. Poor performances week on week and total abandonment of dedication to league fixtures - which is an insult to all those fans who have paid for season tickets.
My view, is the club and board needs to be honest with the fans and offer a SIGNIFICANT discount to season ticket renewals next season. They need to acknowledge that the club was unprepared for the season ahead and, binned off the league.
Coming second or making a CL final is far superior to Europa, FA Cup or League Cup. Not even close.
We were never mediocre under Pochettino other than in his first season. Now we celebrate 5th which is what Poch achieved first season!! Whilst getting to a final.
We were an extremely good team, one of the best outside the traditional elite in Europe. We claimed some huge scalps, got to a European cup final, had an incredible league season which we frankly only lost because Conte had a Chelsea side with no european distractions, numerous other impressive seasons...
Of course winning matters (a lot!) but you can be not mediocre and not win things. Under Poch we could compete with any side in the world over two legs, even a really good Juve side we were inches from beating in this type of scenario & we played them off the fucking park.
We were missing that little bit extra something to win things - but the team was very fucking good.
Is it??? There's such disparity between fans on here. So finishing 2nd for the next 20 years would be better than winning say 12 domestic trophies in that time?
Because all the banners, all the shouting is about winning trophies.
Objectively, finishing 4th is way better than finishing 6th and winning a domestic cup. Purely based on prize money alone. But the balance has to be struck between finances and success.
It still amazes me that with our team all those years , we still never even won a single thing.
Lloris
Walker/Trippier
Vertongehen
Alderweirald
Rose
Eriksen
Demble
Sissoko
Ali
Son
Kane
With those players at your disposal, it's pretty lame that we didn't win a single thing.
I really think if he'd have made an effort in either of the domestic cups or Europa, we could have won something
But something tells me that he was getting orders to get top four above everything else.
If I had the time or the desire I could probably find thousands of posts on here saying trophies are more important than anything else. But I donāt and I canāt be bothered.
āFootball is about winning trophies not finishing Top 4ā is the line.
So yeah based on that this is our most successful season this century.
And we will lose 20+ league games.
Funny old game football.
'Most successful' does not mean 'better'
If anything this has proven to me that I would rather be awesome for most of the season than win a cup and be shite, same with the ramos season which is the only other trophy Iāve seen us win. I was very young at the time so maybe that was it but I remember winning the trophy well, doesnāt hold a candle to some of the Poch seasons for me though.
14 points from our last 18 league games , Iāll just leave that there .