If football is only about winning trophies to you then yeah it’s better. Like I say the posts are all there.
That’s what people are in it for.
Not the journey, the destination.
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If football is only about winning trophies to you then yeah it’s better. Like I say the posts are all there.
That’s what people are in it for.
Not the journey, the destination.
Football isn't about winning trophies though, otherwise 99% of professional clubs fail every season, I don't even know where this notion of winning trophies or bust came from, it seems to be a very modern day take.
What was a better season for Tottenham 2007/8 or 2016/17?
And the one before Ramos' league cup win was George Graham winning the league cup in 1999 when we were not just shite but also incredibly boring, comceded more goal than we scored and both lost and drew more games than we won. And the one before that (1991 FA Cup) we only won 1 out of 15 league games after January. And the one before that we finished mid-table the year we won the UEFA cup in 1984.
Poch's side was incredible. We were the best team in the country for 18 months and somehow won nothing. Best defence. Best attack. Best midfield. Travesty. Also spoiled some of the younger fans who are under 30 years old.
It comes from wankers like Carragher and Neville who peddle it at every opportunity to get the best players from the clubs outside of the cartel to join their clubs.
Before Poch most people did not think half those players were that special half their development was due to his coaching team development. Kane had 22 goals at pro level when Poch joined.
Poch even turned Ricky Lambert into a player Liverpool wanted at Southampton. His coaching meant Liverpool signed 4 Southampton players. Morgan Schneiderlin signed for Utd. He may not have won anything but he could develop players.
We haven’t won f all yet and we are likely to play Bilbao in Bilbao in the final if we get there.
Well the question was “if we somehow win the Europa league…”.
Go and talk to all the people making those posts.
Leave me out of it. I already said I don’t have the time!!
They STINK
Bloody hell. Never seen us with anything like those sort of figures over half a season before.
Undoubtedly the team that finished 2nd to Chelsea was the best Spurs team I've seen but difference was Chelsea had depth and we didn't... but that starting eleven was better than any other team that season. Still won nothing and that will always be the stick to whack Poch with... I've nothing against Poch but I just wanted to make a point that he wasn't this all singing all dancing messiah that came from mid table club and won it all and that's why we should pick Iraola, Silva or Frank as our next manager. For every Poch who's had a modicum of success there is a Gerry Francis, Nuno, Hoddle that have been an absolute shit show. The odds on one if those three matching Poch's achievements are slim... and actually I don't want our next manager to match Poch cause that would mean winning fuck all. I want a proven winner in a proper league who can get us challenging for the title every season. That should be the bear minimum for a club with our resources... not twerking for managers who finish 8th - 14th every season.
We had two proven winners in Mourinho and Conte and look how that turned out. The managers can only go so far under Levy. What we need is a manager who can bring out the best with what Levy gives them.
There's a massive disconnect going on in our brains.
Under Poch we were an absolute beast of a PL team. He was a hugely popular manager who took us on some amazing journeys and I think it's fair to say that most of us feel sad that there were no spoils at the end of it all because winning a trophy with him would have been THE apex experience.
Ange has normalised losing in the league - and that's where we see the majority of our games played. He has brought shame and embarrassment to the club. This diabolical season has brought us down to the bottom of the barrel, but I won't let that tarnish my elation if by some miracle we lift the EL cup. It cannot be the same feeling as if we'd had a great season and won the EL under a decent manager, but it will be considerable compensation for the misery.
Some of us have forgotten or never known what it's like to lift a trophy. It feels really fucking good.
2 hours each way for me due to transport.
Spot on. Its not what we want but you have to deal with the reality of the situation. Proven winners that demand to win will fall out with Levy in a few months. We've seen it a few times now. It would be great to appoint Nagelsman, Inzaghi or Xabi Alonso and give them £200m net this summer but its a fantasy. They'd have to make do and mend like all the others, they'll have to deal with a squad thats short in at least 1 area and those type of managers wont put up with it. Its why under these owners it needs to be someone thats shown promise who will hopefully improve players, isnt set on 1 way of playing and can grow with the team. Who that is fuck knows.
This is genuinely a good question.
I fondly remember 2007/08 more because my first thoughts whenever I see that season's lovely all-white kit or hear of that campaign is just Berbatov's piss-take of a penalty in that final or Woodgate's header-face thing that gave me probably the best day of my Spurs supporting life. Nothing happened in 2016-17 to equal that, but of course over a full season we were a much better team to watch.
I think it underlines that football is subjective. For me as a fan following a football club means you have to have a level of hope a team can win something and then every now and again it does. That's all relative of course. If I supported someone like a lower league club that means winning League Two, the Football League Trophy or even reaching the League One play-offs and getting a cheeky back door promotion in between the lows of relegation.
I never had faith Poch or that squad could get us over the line. There was just that something missing from it that first showed up in that stupid 5-1 Newcastle loss that never escaped my mind.
How they became the players they are is a mixture of circumstances if which Poch was massively influential.
The fact that they never won anything together is still incredible.
Danny Murphy's facial expressions here tell me a lot more than what he actually says - and he's already not sugar coating it too much. I think he is astonished at just how bad Ange is as a manager. If that is a former professional saying/thinking that, I wonder what most of the current Spurs squad feel.